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Old 07-28-2011, 08:08 PM   #31
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:18 PM   #32
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Nah. The Mavs should be in all out championship mode for the next 2 to 3 years. Then blow the whole thing up and be horrible for a couple years and rebuild.

Either that, or find a way to get Howard, CP3, Deron....or some young stud. I don't see that being likely. Not this year anyway.

The Mavs should sign butler to a reasonable 3 or 4 year deal. We should pay Chandler as well. Then go from there. If JJ is too expensive, so be it. He'll be missed, but he's replaceable....and the Mavs might already have the guy in Roddy to replace him.

The Mavs have too many vets right now in the twilight of their careers to worry about the future. And we already have guys like Brewer, Roddy, Rudy...and potentially JJ with young legs.

Chandler and Butler are hardly old as well. If things go right, the Mavs could contend for the next 3 years.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:24 PM   #33
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You know the NBA's locked out when Jeff's starting half the damn threads.


what's even more laughable is that his low average threads are better than 95% of the threads posted by ISH posters now
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:36 PM   #34
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Yup. It's just a boring time to be an NBA fan. Even without the lockout, the NBA's in a state of flux. The era of Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, etc. is slowly coming to an end, and guys like LeBron, Wade, Durant, Howard, etc. have yet to take push 'em aside and usher in the new era.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:40 PM   #35
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That's why nobody likes David Stern.
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:40 PM   #36
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Default Re: How important is Caron Butler to the Dallas Mavericks?

bottom line, Shawn Marion played out of his freaking mind. he talked shit to Lebron and backed it up. he was in that kind of a grove the whole playoffs. I don't think he can in his right mind keep that up. So Mavs need to make an improvement on their roster to stay at the same level. Nothing much easier than bringing back one of their good injured player back. Caron is that guy. Mavs need to sign him. He's good at both ends.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:03 AM   #37
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Nah. The Mavs should be in all out championship mode for the next 2 to 3 years. Then blow the whole thing up and be horrible for a couple years and rebuild.

Either that, or find a way to get Howard, CP3, Deron....or some young stud. I don't see that being likely. Not this year anyway.

The Mavs should sign butler to a reasonable 3 or 4 year deal. We should pay Chandler as well. Then go from there. If JJ is too expensive, so be it. He'll be missed, but he's replaceable....and the Mavs might already have the guy in Roddy to replace him.

The Mavs have too many vets right now in the twilight of their careers to worry about the future. And we already have guys like Brewer, Roddy, Rudy...and potentially JJ with young legs.

Chandler and Butler are hardly old as well. If things go right, the Mavs could contend for the next 3 years.

It is not that easy. All it takes is a season(which I think will be next year) in which the Mavs end up as a 5th seed and go home in Round 1. Then what? You've got a lot of money invested in a team going nowhere. You're fooling yourself if you think guys like Marion, Chandler, Butler, Haywood, & eventually Terry are going to be in demand around the league when the Mavs finally do decide to blow it up.

Im telling you I can only imagine how the 2nd half of the 2010's are going to be for Mavericks fans. You're gonna end up like those Knicks fans who felt we should've blown the team up in 1995, let alone 2000.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:41 AM   #38
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I think the Mavs are more likely to sign JJB and Stevenson than they are to retain Butler.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:47 AM   #39
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I have never thought highly of Caron Butler nor have I ever liked his game. I think the Mavericks would be just fine without him after all they did win the championship without him. The Mavericks should give Corey Brewer some more playing time and let him be the backup SF for Shawn Marion. I feel like he could be a very good role player for the Mavericks. I guess it was hard for him to get PT last season because he was a mid-season signing.
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Default Re: How important is Caron Butler to the Dallas Mavericks?

He isn't very important at all obviously.

He's an average defender and an average jump-shooter, and it's not like he's very athletic anymore either. He couldn't get into the lane even before he tore his knee.

The only thing he is good at is creating inefficient fade-away jumpers for himself, but really, if the Mavs wanted someone to take a fade-away jumper, they can get just give the ball to Dirk.

Re-signing him should be extremely low on the list of Dallas' priorities.
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It is not that easy. All it takes is a season(which I think will be next year) in which the Mavs end up as a 5th seed and go home in Round 1. Then what? You've got a lot of money invested in a team going nowhere. You're fooling yourself if you think guys like Marion, Chandler, Butler, Haywood, & eventually Terry are going to be in demand around the league when the Mavs finally do decide to blow it up.

Im telling you I can only imagine how the 2nd half of the 2010's are going to be for Mavericks fans. You're gonna end up like those Knicks fans who felt we should've blown the team up in 1995, let alone 2000.

The only Mavericks who really matter are Dirk and Tyson Chandler. Dirk is 33 and Chandler is 28. Everyone else is replaceable.

Dallas has a lot of money and a pretty smart GM; this is the third different team they've built around Dirk in the last decade -- there was the Nash/Finley/Dirk teams, the '06 Finals team and this latest one.

The Mavs are going to blow it up when Dirk is no longer capable of being a primary offensive option. But he's not getting any shorter and his jumper isn't getting any worse, so I don't see why he would start declining as a player for a few more years.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:23 AM   #42
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I think the Mavs are more likely to sign JJB and Stevenson than they are to retain Butler.

I fear Stevenson may get the James posey treatment
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:40 AM   #43
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Who knows if they win it all if he did play. With him in, would JJ have the impact he did? Would Terry have the impact he did? Would all the rolw players play above their normal game if he did? I dont think the chemistry would have been what it was if he were in the lineup. He would have been pulling 13-15 shots a game and clearly the role players would not have stepped up like they did.

So to answer the question, he is a good player but not a high priority. Money should be spent elsewhere esp with the acquisition of Fernandez.

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Default Re: How important is Caron Butler to the Dallas Mavericks?

How important is the Mavericks second best player to the Mavericks? Pretty damn important if you want success.

They won the championship without him, yes, this doesn't mean that he's not needed or can't contribute any. I think instead this just shows how good Terry Marion JJ etc all are. Knowing that they're good enough to win the championship without their second best player, adding him back would only do them better. Plus now they have Fernandez. I think the Mavericks just got better skill-wise. Can't say the same for their chemistry.
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:10 PM   #45
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The Mavs played very good with Caron, right before he and Dirk went down with injuries they were playing amazing team basketball. If you think they were a better team without him you didn't watch the Mavs much in the regular season.
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