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Old 08-04-2011, 03:21 AM   #1
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Default Oscar Robertson is the most complete-talanted-skilled-productive player of all time..

lets get this straight in here ok?

this is not even arguable................. but please try to argue this.....
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Old 08-04-2011, 03:36 AM   #2
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Default Re: Oscar Robertson is the most complete-talanted-skilled-productive player of all time..

I'll make it quick and use the stat you use for Lebron so much..

Career PER

Kobe Bryant 23.53
Oscar Robertson 23.17

Peak PER

Kobe Bryant 27.97
Oscar Robertson 27.64

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Default Re: Oscar Robertson is the most complete-talanted-skilled-productive player of all time..

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I'll make it quick and use the stat you use for Lebron so much..

Career PER

Kobe Bryant 23.53
Oscar Robertson 23.17

Peak PER

Kobe Bryant 27.97
Oscar Robertson 27.64



Dirk regular season PER 23.7....Peak PER 28.1

Dirk playoff PER 24.7.....Peak Per 28.4

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Old 08-04-2011, 03:50 AM   #4
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Default Re: Oscar Robertson is the most complete-talanted-skilled-productive player of all time..

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I'll make it quick and use the stat you use for Lebron so much..

Career PER

Kobe Bryant 23.53
Oscar Robertson 23.17

Peak PER

Kobe Bryant 27.97
Oscar Robertson 27.64


you seriously believe i am that stupid or are you trying to act stupid?

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PER takes into account positive accomplishments, such as field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, and negative ones, such as missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.

Therefore arising a problem for players earlier than 1979-80:

1979-80 — debut of 3-point shot in NBA
1977-78 — player turnovers first recorded in NBA
1973-74 — player offensive rebounds, steals, and blocked shots first recorded in NBA.

League and team pace factors cannot be computed for seasons prior to 1973-74, so I estimated. - Basketball-Reference
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WHAT THAT MEANS IS........... THAT OSCAR ROBERTSON - WILT CHAMBERLAIN WOULD (AND ARE LOGICALLY SPEAKING) BE #1 - #2 IN PER-EFF............. WITH A HUGE GAP.....









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Old 08-04-2011, 03:53 AM   #5
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:06 AM   #6
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Default Re: Oscar Robertson is the most complete-talanted-skilled-productive player of all time..

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please.......... lets be realistic here......

no player today did exist back then.... not even some of todays players parents were born back then...

what happened back then HAPPENED.......... you CANT take into account 2 completely different eras..... who had different teams... rules... players... basketball style-talent-skills....

guys like OSCAR - WILT were the INNOVATORS of NBA......... WITHOUT THEM.... THERE WOULD BE NO:

MAGIC
JORDAN
LEBRON
KAREEM
HAKEEM
KOBE

as you seen them today......

without OSCAR....... somebody like Magic-Lebron would have been your normal PF.... and people would have laughed at them or even fire them of the team if they tried to play PG or even bring the ball up.........

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Old 08-04-2011, 04:09 AM   #7
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Default Re: Oscar Robertson is the most complete-talanted-skilled-productive player of all time..

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you seriously believe i am that stupid or are you trying to act stupid?

"
PER takes into account positive accomplishments, such as field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, and negative ones, such as missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.

Therefore arising a problem for players earlier than 1979-80:

1979-80 debut of 3-point shot in NBA
1977-78 player turnovers first recorded in NBA
1973-74 player offensive rebounds, steals, and blocked shots first recorded in NBA.

League and team pace factors cannot be computed for seasons prior to 1973-74, so I estimated. - Basketball-Reference
"



WHAT THAT MEANS IS........... THAT OSCAR ROBERTSON - WILT CHAMBERLAIN WOULD (AND ARE LOGICALLY SPEAKING) BE #1 - #2 IN PER-EFF............. WITH A HUGE GAP.....








that gif.
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:16 AM   #8
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Default Re: Oscar Robertson is the most complete-talanted-skilled-productive player of all time..

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please.......... lets be realistic here......

no player today did exist back then.... not even some of todays players parents were born back then...

what happened back then HAPPENED.......... you CANT take into account 2 completely different eras..... who had different teams... rules... players... basketball style-talent-skills....

guys like OSCAR - WILT were the INNOVATORS of NBA......... WITHOUT THEM.... THERE WOULD BE NO:

MAGIC
JORDAN
LEBRON
KAREEM
HAKEEM
KOBE

as you seen them today......

without OSCAR....... somebody like Magic-Lebron would have been your normal PF.... and people would have laughed at them or even fire them of the team if they tried to play PG or even bring the ball up.........
I can take into account and compare the eras. The article I posted only varied it statistically only, now if it varied in Skill set, athleticism and all that good stuff, players like Kobe, Lebron, Magic, Barkley and so on would crush that era. I get guys like Wilt, Russel and Oscar helped built the NBA into what it is today, and they do get their credit for that when people, including build our GOAT lists, but you're overrating Oscar's skillset. It's respective to his era only, when you compare it others, especially the modern days, you're setting yourself up for a slap in the face my friend.


Oh and I laughed my ass off when you started your post with "Lets be realistic".
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Default Re: Oscar Robertson is the most complete-talanted-skilled-productive player of all time..

Damn, you watched Oscar play? You must be old as dirt homie.
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:20 AM   #10
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:21 AM   #11
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Default Re: Oscar Robertson is the most complete-talanted-skilled-productive player of all time..

oscar and lebron are really alike. getting a ring as a ring chaser. maybe lebron in new york
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oscar robertson is so TALANTED
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Oscar Robertson Is Definitely A Top 100 Player.

Wouldn't put him past 30 though
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lol magic and kobe would school his pansy ass
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