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Old 07-27-2011, 11:04 PM   #1
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Default ESPN's entire panel agrees that Carmelo Anthony is NBA's most overrated

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Durant is also the most promising SF in the league despite already being a top 5 player with an unlimited ceiling.
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:11 PM   #2
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Default Re: ESPN's entire panel agrees that Carmelo Anthony is NBA's most overrated

that's funny because I think ESPN is overrated

and Kevin Durant

your insecurities about Carmelo are so obvious
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:13 PM   #3
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Way to blow the title out of proportion. Those guys said Carmelo Anthony is the most overrated SF in the league; not the most overrated player in the league.

lol at the guys who said Pippen and LeBron were the greatest SFs of all-time though.
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Default Re: ESPN's entire panel agrees that Carmelo Anthony is NBA's most overrated

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that's funny because I think ESPN is overrated

and Kevin Durant

your insecurities about Carmelo are so obvious

apparently ESPN has the same insecurities. I just find it hilarious that Carmelo/Knick stans run around and disrespect Durant, who is clearly better than Anthony. It would be like me saying 22 year old Durant is better then prime LeBron.
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Default Re: ESPN's entire panel agrees that Carmelo Anthony is NBA's most overrated

Durant will eventually surpass Melo quite easily down the line, kinda surprised he didn't this year to be honest. That being said there pretty much ='s right now. Melo is better at rebounding, passing. Durant probably has the edge defensively but Melo still can defend the post better. Durant's more efficient but Melo's more versatile. Apples and Oranges. Before this year I had Melo ahead because Durant was unproven in the post season but he changed that this year so I really wouldn't argue one above the other. Durant just has the higher ceiling because he's doing what Melo's doing in his prime when he's like 21-22 years old.

Melo's only overrated when you try to throw him in the top 5. Anything from like 6-12 is rated perfectly, and that's where most have him. Not sure why ESPN calls him the most overrated.
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apparently ESPN has the same insecurities. I just find it hilarious that Carmelo/Knick stans run around and disrespect Durant, who is clearly better than Anthony. It would be like me saying 22 year old Durant is better then prime LeBron.

Isn't that what you say? Wasn't he gonna win MVP this past year and do 50/40/90?
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Default Re: ESPN's entire panel agrees that Carmelo Anthony is NBA's most overrated

Let's see. Durant was better these last 2 seasons statistically than Anthony has ever been. Durant was better last post season than Anthony has ever been.

Durant in 2 playoffs has won as many series as Anthony has won in 8.

OK

Durant has better career numbers & playoff numbers despite the fact his rookie season, which is obviously inferior to his current numbers, is weighted much more heavily due to less years to offset it.
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Isn't that what you say? Wasn't he gonna win MVP this past year and do 50/40/90?

Don't forget the 4 assists a game
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Let's see. Durant was better these last 2 seasons statistically than Anthony has ever been. Durant was better last post season than Anthony has ever been.

Durant in 2 playoffs has won as many series as Anthony has won in 8.

OK

Durant has better career numbers & playoff numbers despite the fact his rookie season, which is obviously inferior to his current numbers, is weighted much more heavily due to less years to offset it.

Maybe, but Carmelo pretty much shits on him H2H.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=duranke01

Carmelo's awful defense somehow holds Durant to 42%. That's Iverson type chucker status right there.
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Default Re: ESPN's entire panel agrees that Carmelo Anthony is NBA's most overrated

Durant
Career 25.9/6.3/2.7 57.6 TS% 49.8 eFG% 21.8 PER .154 WSp48
Best season 30.1/7.6/2.8 60.7 TS% 51.4 eFG% 26.2 PER .238 WSp48
Career postseason 27.7/8.0/2.7 56.0 TS% 47.3 eFG% 22.3 PER .178 WSp48
Best postseason 28.6/8.2/2.8 58.2 TS% 50.3 eFG% 24.1 PER .217 WSp48


Anthony
Career 24.6/6.3/3.0 54.5 TS% 47.9 eFG% 20.3 PER .126 WSp48
Best season 28.9/6.0/3.8 56.3 TS% 49.3 eFG% 22.0 PER .153 WSp48
Career postseason 24.7/7.3/3.1 52.1 TS% 44.6 eFG% 19.6 PER .106 WSp48
Best postseason 27.2/5.8/4.1 56.4 TS% 49.1 eFG% 24.3 PER .201 WSp48


Durant in 4 years
2 scoring titles
2X all nba 1st team
2X top 5 MVP finish
2-2 playoff record
ROY

Melo in 4 years
0 scoring titles
0 all nba 1st team
0 top 5 MVP finishes
2-8 playoff record
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Deron Williams shits all over Chris Paul head to head. Only an idiot would pick Williams over Paul to start a franchise both given 10 years of being completely healthy.
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Durant will eventually surpass Melo quite easily down the line, kinda surprised he didn't this year to be honest. That being said there pretty much ='s right now. Melo is better at rebounding, passing. Durant probably has the edge defensively but Melo still can defend the post better. Durant's more efficient but Melo's more versatile. Apples and Oranges. Before this year I had Melo ahead because Durant was unproven in the post season but he changed that this year so I really wouldn't argue one above the other. Durant just has the higher ceiling because he's doing what Melo's doing in his prime when he's like 21-22 years old.

Melo's only overrated when you try to throw him in the top 5. Anything from like 6-12 is rated perfectly, and that's where most have him. Not sure why ESPN calls him the most overrated.



that awkward nonsense basically amount to gobbledygook.

Carmelo IS overrated by fans and the media, because his one "skill" is happens to be making difficult - yet unimportant - shots. If Carmelo makes two out of every five difficult contested turnaround fadeaways, it's going to get more attention than if some scrub on the team makes a simple open jumper, followed by another role player getting a layup, and then a center getting a tip-in. Lesser players moving the ball around will still be more efficient than Carmelo hot-dogging. But the media and fans will love the "cool" looking baskets and make Carmelo the star. Meanwhile people still need to play defense, move well without the ball, rebound, pass well etc., none of which Anthony does, while the points are ultimately gonna be scored either way. See: Nuggets without Carmelo Anthony last year.

Need I remind you that last year the Nuggets were unable to trade Carmelo for the likes of Joakim Noah and Brook Lopez. When it comes down to W-L, teams value bigs who protect the paint more than flashy, volume-shooting wing scorers. Dumb fans and media love the dog and pony show that guys like Carmelo put on.

So in terms of perceived basketball impact by dummy fans, Carmelo is easily the league's most overrated. Altho guys like Stoudamire, Durant, Westbrook, etc. are also up there.

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Maybe, but Carmelo pretty much shits on him H2H.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=duranke01

Carmelo's awful defense somehow holds Durant to 42%. That's Iverson type chucker status right there.

Actually still pretty efficient tho. Takes like 19 shots to get 28 points. His ability to get to the free throw line and hit them at a high rate is pretty insane.
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Apparently Melo's claim to fame is holding Durant to 27/7/3 on 57 TS% when Durant's career averages are 26/6/3 on 58 TS%
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that awkward nonsense basically amount to gobbledygook.

Carmelo IS overrated by fans and the media, because his one "skill" is happens to be making difficult - yet unimportant - shots. If Carmelo makes two out of every five difficult contested turnaround fadeaways, it's going to get more attention than if some scrub on the team makes a simple open jumper, then another role player gets a layup, and then a center gets a tip-in. It doesnt make a difference basketball-wise which one happens, but the media and fans will love the "cool" looking baskets and make Carmelo the star. Meanwhile people still need to play defense, move well without the ball, rebound, pass well etc., none of which Anthony does, while the points are ultimately gonna be scored either way. See: Nuggets without Carmelo Anthony last year.

Need I remind you that last year the Nuggets were unable to trade Carmelo for the likes of Joakim Noah and Brook Lopez. When it comes down to W-L, teams value bigs who protect the paint more than flashy, volume-shooting wing scorers. Dumb fans and media love the dog and pony show that guys like Carmelo put on.

So in terms of perceived basketball impact by dummy fans, Carmelo is easily the league's most overrated. Altho guys like Stoudamire and Durant are also up there.

Da fck are you talking about? Carmelo is known for being best at hitting clutch shots with the clock winding down. Since when are those unimportant?

http://82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Carmelo Anthony 13 27 .481

Kevin Durant 5 14 .357

LeBron James 17 50 .340

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that awkward nonsense basically amount to gobbledygook.

Carmelo IS overrated by fans and the media, because his one "skill" is happens to be making difficult - yet unimportant - shots. If Carmelo makes two out of every five difficult contested turnaround fadeaways, it's going to get more attention than if some scrub on the team makes a simple open jumper, then another role player gets a layup, and then a center gets a tip-in. It doesnt make a difference basketball-wise which one happens, but the media and fans will love the "cool" looking baskets and make Carmelo the star. Meanwhile people still need to play defense, move well without the ball, rebound, pass well etc., none of which Anthony does, while the points are ultimately gonna be scored either way. See: Nuggets without Carmelo Anthony last year.

Need I remind you that last year the Nuggets were unable to trade Carmelo for the likes of Joakim Noah and Brook Lopez. When it comes down to W-L, teams value bigs who protect the paint more than flashy, volume-shooting wing scorers. Dumb fans and media love the dog and pony show that guys like Carmelo put on.

So in terms of perceived basketball impact by dummy fans, Carmelo is easily the league's most overrated. Altho guys like Stoudamire and Durant are also up there.

You try waaaay to hard to be unique. Still can't fathom the idea that without players like Melo making tough shots guy's who hit those "simple" shots wouldn't convert at the same rate because defensive coverage would be 100x different. Drawing double teams matter. How teams guard you matter. The ability to hit and create the type offense Melo can is valuable. Either way Melo pulls down 7 board a game witch very good for his position. Averages like 3 assists a game, so all tho not a strong suit isn't like he's Nick Young. His lazy D hurts teams through out the season but it's not like he doesn't step it up. Just not consistent.

Nuggets were simply 2 deep at every position. Had Ty Lawson who IMO was better than Billups. Denver was just a really good team with or without Melo. Flamed out in the playoffs tho.

Either way Melo isn't the most overrated player, and your the guy who doesn't realize the difference a Luis Scola and STAT.
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