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Old 01-06-2012, 11:31 PM   #1666
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How many points are we going to leave on the board tonight? sunsfan, you saw the first half...my brother said we recovered a fumble on about the Kansas-State 10 yard line and settle for a field-goal and we just got a false star to take us out of field-goal range.

On top of that, all nine of Kansas State's points were basically given to them by us with the blocked extra-point and us fumbling on our own 15 yard line?

Again this is just what my brother told me. He said we should've been up 20-0 at halftime.
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Old 01-07-2012, 12:18 AM   #1667
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Wasn't our prettiest game. The offense never really clicked. But an 11 win season and the only two losses came to Alabama and LSU. We get Tyler Wilson, Knile Davis, and Cobi Hamilton back on offense. Might be the leader for Dorial Green-Beckham and landed the #2 JUCO WR in the country so they could replace Joe Adams and Jarius Wright. Get three or four starters back on the offensive-line and return enough on defense to be better next year on that side of the ball if the new defensive-coordinator is the real deal.

In my biased opinion we should be a preseason top 5-7 team. LSU, Southern Cal, and Oregon will probably be top three. You can make an argument for Georgia since they return a lot and don't have to play LSU, Alabama, or Arkansas next year, but I think we should be a preseason top 5-7 team next year.

I do know one thing...Bobby Petrino is one of the best coaches in America. Again, this is a bit biased, but I think he's one of the five best coaches in the country. Houston Nutt left him a train-wreck and he's got us to a Sugar Bowl and 10 and 11 win seasons in just four years.
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Old 01-07-2012, 07:31 AM   #1668
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How many points are we going to leave on the board tonight? sunsfan, you saw the first half...my brother said we recovered a fumble on about the Kansas-State 10 yard line and settle for a field-goal and we just got a false star to take us out of field-goal range.

On top of that, all nine of Kansas State's points were basically given to them by us with the blocked extra-point and us fumbling on our own 15 yard line?

Again this is just what my brother told me. He said we should've been up 20-0 at halftime.

Sorry I went out before the game ended so I didn't see this, but yeah that's pretty much how the first half went. Neither offenses looked good in the first half, but K-State was worse and they managed to stay in the game through the opportunities they took advantage of. Still looked like Arkansas was the better team, but didn't really prove it until after a few minutes clocked out of the second half.
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:38 AM   #1669
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Disappointed to hear that Arizona State's Brock Osweiler is leaving school to go pro. Thought he was in line for a big senior season that would have vaulted him into the first round. Lots of potential and I think he's got an NFL future, but it's a year too soon.

I think someone here said he was playing for the pro scouts in their bowl game, and I insisted he was coming back. Good call.
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Disappointed to hear that Arizona State's Brock Osweiler is leaving school to go pro. Thought he was in line for a big senior season that would have vaulted him into the first round. Lots of potential and I think he's got an NFL future, but it's a year too soon.

I think someone here said he was playing for the pro scouts in their bowl game, and I insisted he was coming back. Good call.
He's mad that the O-coordinator left and doesn't want to learn a new system. Plus I don't think he would be a very good fit in Grahams system so he may even hurt his draft stock if he comes back. He'll probably be a 3-5th round pick. With a new staff and offense, I believe it's the right call for him.
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Old 01-07-2012, 02:44 PM   #1671
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Watching some tv and...well, you guys aren't going to believe this.

In the FCS (or Division 1 which used to be Division 2 or whatever it's called) they do this crazy thing.

At the end of the season, the top teams play a series of elimination games. You might call them "playoffs". Win and advance, lose and go home. After all that, when just two teams remain...in this case, Sam Houston St and North Dakota St...they play what they refer to as a "championship game". The winner...at least according to this cockamamie plan...is the national champion! They get a trophy, names in the paper, everything.

I'm not exactly sure why they do this. I can only assume they can't find a bunch of guys to sit in an office somewhere and decide which teams are best.

Now I've seen everything.
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Old 01-07-2012, 05:05 PM   #1672
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Watching some tv and...well, you guys aren't going to believe this.

In the FCS (or Division 1 which used to be Division 2 or whatever it's called) they do this crazy thing.

At the end of the season, the top teams play a series of elimination games. You might call them "playoffs". Win and advance, lose and go home. After all that, when just two teams remain...in this case, Sam Houston St and North Dakota St...they play what they refer to as a "championship game". The winner...at least according to this cockamamie plan...is the national champion! They get a trophy, names in the paper, everything.

I'm not exactly sure why they do this. I can only assume they can't find a bunch of guys to sit in an office somewhere and decide which teams are best.

Now I've seen everything.


That kind of hair-brained idea wouldn't work on the D1-A level with the players having school and what-not getting in the way during Christmas break. And, you know, a 15 game season, instead of a 13 or 14 game season, is just way too much.

The resistance against a playoff has nothing to do with money and the "higher-ups" greed and wanting to select teams like Michigan and Virginia Tech instead of Boise State and Kansas State for their biggest bowl games.

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Old 01-07-2012, 06:05 PM   #1673
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Disappointed to hear that Arizona State's Brock Osweiler is leaving school to go pro. Thought he was in line for a big senior season that would have vaulted him into the first round. Lots of potential and I think he's got an NFL future, but it's a year too soon.

I think someone here said he was playing for the pro scouts in their bowl game, and I insisted he was coming back. Good call.

Smart move to leave in my opinion, Todd Graham hasn't exactly been known as a QB specialist in the coaching ranks at Tulsa/Pitt, and hasn't exactly propelled his teams high.
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Smart move to leave in my opinion, Todd Graham hasn't exactly been known as a QB specialist in the coaching ranks at Tulsa/Pitt, and hasn't exactly propelled his teams high.

His Tulsa teams twice led the NCAA in total offense. He preaches speed, speed and more speed and plays very uptempo.

He took Rice to their first bowl ever, and Tulsa to back-to-back 10 win seasons.

It didn't translate to Pitt in his one season with leftover players, but I've yet to hear anyone explain why Osweiler...a kid with a big time arm, who has shown the ability to see the field, get rid of the ball quickly and spread it around, and who has a decent set of wheels for a big guy...wouldn't have been a fit for what Graham does.
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His Tulsa teams twice led the NCAA in total offense. He preaches speed, speed and more speed and plays very uptempo.

He took Rice to their first bowl ever, and Tulsa to back-to-back 10 win seasons.

It didn't translate to Pitt in his one season with leftover players, but I've yet to hear anyone explain why Osweiler...a kid with a big time arm, who has shown the ability to see the field, get rid of the ball quickly and spread it around, and who has a decent set of wheels for a big guy...wouldn't have been a fit for what Graham does.

Pittsburgh was picked to be 2nd in the Big East at the beginning of the season, they had a really nice RB, and they mismanaged their QB situation it seemed and flopped (from what I gathered). Pittsburgh totally flopped with Tino Sunseri as their QB. He had a nice run with Tulsa that you can't ignore, but it remains to be seen as the current coach their has took Tulsa to a decent record this year as well. Osweiler leaving is a no brainer to me.

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Pittsburgh was picked to be 2nd in the Big East at the beginning of the season, they had a really nice RB, and they mismanaged their QB situation it seemed and flopped (from what I gathered). Pittsburgh totally flopped with Tino Sunseri as their QB. He had a nice run with Tulsa that you ignore, but it remains to be seen as the current coach their has took Tulsa to a decent record this year as well. Osweiler leaving is a no brainer to me.

Huh? Could have sworn I posted that Tulsa had the #1 offense twice during his tenure and two consecutive 10 win seasons?

There's been a few people say he wouldn't succeed in Graham's offense. I'm just asking for clarification as to why.
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Huh? Could have sworn I posted that Tulsa had the #1 offense twice during his tenure and two consecutive 10 win seasons?

There's been a few people say he wouldn't succeed in Graham's offense. I'm just asking for clarification as to why.

Grammar error/omission on my part when editing my post. Meant to write "he had a good run at Tulsa that you can't ignore".

GJ Kinne was his QB, and had a nice season with current coach Bill Blankenship. I'm not a Tulsa follower, so I have no clue what type of offense Blankenship is running, but Kinne had a nice season without Graham. Pitt's offense was putrid and a disappointment, even with recruits that were Dave Wannstead's.

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Grammar error/omission on my part when editing my post. Meant to write "he had a good run at Tulsa that you can't ignore".

GJ Kinne was his QB, and had a nice season with current coach Bill Blankenship. I'm not a Tulsa follower, so I have no clue what type of offense Blankenship is running, but Kinne had a nice season without Graham. Pitt's offense was putrid and a disappointment, even with recruits that were Dave Wannstead's.

OK, thanks for clarifying. But my point remains the same. Rice had an explosive offense after having nothing before he got there. Tulsa's offense was not just good, but best in the nation good during his tenure, and he had three different starting QB in 4 years. If I'm not mistaken, one of those years they were #1 in offense was in 2007 with Paul Smith at QB.

Pitt was a flop; to be honest, after seeing them last year, I'm shocked to hear they were favored to be anything but a 6-7 win team this year. Just don't like their personnel. Aside from the D-line I didn't think they had anything special. Plus, it's awfully tough to judge a HC after a season with the last coaches players.

His reputation is built on being an offense first, high octane coach. From what I saw of his TU teams, I don't understand why Osweiler wouldn't thrive in it.

Personality conflict? OK, that I could understand. But not a fit? I don't see it, and wonder what insight somebody has that I'm not aware of. Not trying to be right; just trying to understand what I might be missing.
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OK, thanks for clarifying. But my point remains the same. Rice had an explosive offense after having nothing before he got there. Tulsa's offense was not just good, but best in the nation good during his tenure, and he had three different starting QB in 4 years. If I'm not mistaken, one of those years they were #1 in offense was in 2007 with Paul Smith at QB.

Pitt was a flop; to be honest, after seeing them last year, I'm shocked to hear they were favored to be anything but a 6-7 win team this year. Just don't like their personnel. It's awfully tough to judge a HC after a season with the last coaches players.

His reputation is built on being an offense first, high octane coach. From what I saw of his TU teams, I don't understand why Osweiler wouldn't thrive in it.

Personality conflict? OK, that I could understand. But not a fit? I don't see it, and wonder what insight somebody has that I'm not aware of. Not trying to be right; just trying to understand what I might be missing.

Tulsa was a high powered offense, but it remains to be seen how it will fair in the PAC-12 and not C-USA (although Washington/Oregon's had pathetic D in bowls).

Arizona State wasn't really a slouch on the offensive end this year; moreover, Osweiler has already looked good with Erickson, at least I thought. Maybe Graham will move them up to even greater heights. Maybe, I don't know, I just don't see ASU being any better than 6-6 or 7-5 team, similar to what they did this season. I'm just not sure his draft stock is going to excel that much if ASU is still pretty mediocre which I think they will.

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Tulsa was a high powered offense, but it remains to be seen how it will fair in the PAC-12 and not C-USA (although Washington/Oregon's had pathetic D in bowls).

Arizona State wasn't really a slouch on the offensive end this year; moreover, Osweiler has already looked good with Erickson. Maybe Graham will move them up to even greater heights. Maybe, I don't know, I just don't see ASU being any better than 6-6 or 7-5 team, similar to what they did this season. I'm just not sure his draft stock is going to excel that much if ASU is still pretty mediocre which I think they will.

See, I think that's a fair assessment. The situation isn't a fit, not the offense.

I think it can succeed in the PAC12. He'll have better personnel than at Tulsa, and defense is in short supply conference-wide.

ASU was poisoned by attitude from what was supposed to be their best player (Burfict). Spoke with a guy in their athletic dept last week who actually used the words "emotionally disturbed" to describe him. Not flake or head case. Not volatile or high strung. "Emotionally disturbed".

Understand the kid favored to take over the QB spot was a big time recruit, 6'5", live arm and decent wheels. Be interesting to see.
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