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Old 08-16-2011, 01:50 PM   #1
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Default 2003 Magic vs 2006 Lakers

Which team wins? Both teams have Kobe and T-Mac putting up 2 of the greatest seasons ever, with equally sh*tty teammates.


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PG- Gordan Giricek(14/5)
SG- Tracy McGrady(32/7/6)
SF- Pat Garrity(11/4)
PF- Shawn Kemp(7/6)
C- Drew Gooden(13/8)

Darrell Armstrong(9/4/3+)
Jacque Vaughn(6/3)
Andrew DeClercq(5/4)
Pat Burke(4/2)
Jeryl Sasser(2/2)


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PG- Smush Parker(11/4/3/1.7)
SG- Kobe Bryant(35/5/4+/2)
SF- Lamar Odom(15/9/5+)
PF- Kwame Brown(7/6+)
C- Chris Mihm(10/6)

Brian Cook(8/3)
Devean George(6/4)
Luke Walton(5/3+/2)
Sasha Vujacic(4/2/2)
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:54 PM   #2
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Default Re: 2003 Magic vs 2006 Lakers

Here is how this thread is going to go;

Laker fans and Kobe fans say Lakers.
Non-laker fans and non-Kobe fans say Magic.

I'm not bracing myself for much intelligent discussion.
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:55 PM   #3
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Kobe and T-Mac are really close in these 2 seasons, but I'd go with Kobe slightly over T-Mac. However, the Lakers team was also better. Odom is easily better than any of T-Mac's teammates and Phil was a better coach than Doc Rivers.

It's weird how similar these situations were, though. 2 of the most impressive scoring seasons ever, mediocre casts and they end up going up 3-1 on 2 much better teams, but losing the series in 7.
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Old 08-16-2011, 01:56 PM   #4
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:03 PM   #5
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Kobe and T-Mac are really close in these 2 seasons, but I'd go with Kobe slightly over T-Mac. However, the Lakers team was also better. Odom is easily better than any of T-Mac's teammates and Phil was a better coach than Doc Rivers.

It's weird how similar these situations were, though. 2 of the most impressive scoring seasons ever, mediocre casts and they end up going up 3-1 on 2 much better teams, but losing the series in 7.


I can see something like an 87-85 game with Kobe and T-Mac scoring 40. Odom statistically and talent-wise is much better than anyone on Orlando, but he also makes many more mistakes and mental errors.
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Plus Shawn Kemp was a bloated sloth at this point.
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:11 PM   #7
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I can see something like an 87-85 game with Kobe and T-Mac scoring 40. Odom statistically and talent-wise is much better than anyone on Orlando, but he also makes many more mistakes and mental errors.

So does Drew Gooden and he's not as good of a player as Odom, plus Odom played really good basketball after the all-star break and in the playoffs, he actually played like an all-star caliber player in the 2nd half/playoffs.

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Bryant is a superstar and Lamar Odom is an All-Star caliber player.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2438106

Funny exaggeration on Kobe's part, but it still should help show how much better Odom was than any of T-Mac's teammates on the '03 Magic.

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Its all growth for us, its all evolution, said Bryant, who scored 23 points in the first half of Game 7 but just one after that. I think at the start of the season, nobody expected us to be here. I think the growth that we have, the talent that we have, the upside, is good.
Kwame Brown obviously has a lot of talent and a lot of potential. Hes going to work hard this summer; hell be better next year. Lamar Odom has stepped up and really turned himself into being one of the best players in this game. We have some good pieces in there.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/12679269/
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:34 PM   #8
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Uhm Grant Hill played 29 games for that team and Mike Miller (for 49 games); might be a good to mention that little fact.
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Kobe and T-Mac are really close in these 2 seasons, but I'd go with Kobe slightly over T-Mac. However, the Lakers team was also better. Odom is easily better than any of T-Mac's teammates and Phil was a better coach than Doc Rivers.

It's weird how similar these situations were, though. 2 of the most impressive scoring seasons ever, mediocre casts and they end up going up 3-1 on 2 much better teams, but losing the series in 7.
The only difference is that Kobe plays defense, doesn't get injured nearly as much (in fact his tendency for playing with injuries is farve-esque) and has won repeatedly on a big stage.

Also let's not act like Doc isn't a great coach, with a different style than Jackson.
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:12 PM   #11
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Default Re: 2003 Magic vs 2006 Lakers

I would take Lamar Odom over anyone else on that Magic Squad other than T-Mac. Grant Hill. Kemp wasn't even himself.

I don't know, this series is a tossup. Considering that Grant Hill isn't here, Kobe was slightly better than T-Mac(Ds better and is more durable), and Phil Jackson is the coach, I'm going to say Lakers.
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:40 PM   #12
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Man the Magic

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Here is how this thread is going to go;

Laker fans and Kobe fans say Lakers.
Non-laker fans and non-Kobe fans say Magic.

I'm not bracing myself for much intelligent discussion.

That lakers team was god damn terrible but that team T-mac had was even worse. Maybe the worse playoff team in a long ass time.

Both guys talents were wasted that year.
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That lakers team was god damn terrible but that team T-mac had was even worse. Maybe the worse playoff team in a long ass time.

Both guys talents were wasted that year.

Like I've stated; that year McGrady had relief from Hill (playing 29 games) and Mike Miller (playing 49 games). That 42-20 record is skewed; that lineup up top is not accurate.

Kobe played with Smush, Kwame, Lamar & Mihm all season long; he did not have the privileged of having a Grant Hill & Mike Miller for a quarter & half the season (respectively). That roster is not accurate and Kobe played with less that season if you take that into account.

Hill: 14.5 PPG, 7.1 RPG, 4.2 APG, 49 FG% in 29 games
Miller: 16.4 PPG, 42% FG, 5.8 RPG, 2.8 APG in 49 games

Odom: 15.9 PPG, 9.8 RPG, 4.8 APG, 47 FG% in 56 games

The OP conveniently put down Odom for Kobe; but forgot to include Hill & Miller who combined to play a total of 78 games for Orlando that year. Lamar only played 56 games, not that much more then Miller who averaged more PPG then Lamar.

Case closed.
Kobe won the same with a clearly worse supporting cast. Guy didn't even have Lamar for 26 games that year.

Both teams finished 42-40, and LA was clearly in a much tougher conference in those respective years.
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Old 08-16-2011, 05:40 PM   #15
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Uhm Grant Hill played 29 games for that team and Mike Miller (for 49 games); might be a good to mention that little fact.


Hill didn't play after January and Miller left for Memphis a month later.
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