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Old 08-24-2011, 06:35 PM   #1
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Old 08-24-2011, 06:48 PM   #2
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Pippen.

He usually was guarding the opposing team's best player.
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Default Re: Better Defender on 1st 3-peat Bulls: Jordan or Pippen?

Jordan but close one.They were both great at one on one defense, jordan was greater at reading pass lines,stripping the ball and weak side blocks.

Pippen had longer arms and slightly height advantage though.
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Default Re: Better Defender on 1st 3-peat Bulls: Jordan or Pippen?

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Pippen.

He usually was guarding the opposing team's best player.

No he wasn't. Stop spewing this bulls*it.
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No he wasn't. Stop spewing this bulls*it.

you must be too young to even watch the Bulls or just started watching basketball.

Phil Jackson always puts his star players on another guy, to save them for offense. This thing about having someone cover the best guy, so Kobe can save it for offense, came from him doing that with Jordan.

Why do you think that Pippen was covering Kobe when they were playing the Bulls most of the time? Why didn't they put MJ on him?
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Jordan but close one.They were both great at one on one defense, jordan was greater at reading pass lines,stripping the ball and weak side blocks.

Pippen had longer arms and slightly height advantage though.

I agree. I'd give Jordan a slight edge during the first three-peat and Pippen a slight edge during the 2nd three-peat but you can't really go wrong with either one.
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Default Re: Better Defender on 1st 3-peat Bulls: Jordan or Pippen?

I'll say this.

If I had to defend a PG (any type) for a game or the course of a series, I'd take first three-peat Jordan over everybody else.

He had the size to not get bullied in the post (except the 1991 finals where Magic abused him), unreal foot speed and lateral movement to keep up with those speed demons, the ability to anticipate their movements and the size to contest jumpshots. MJ could cheat and recover at a extremely high level.

It was amazing how a guy his size could stay with guys much lighter and quicker than him.

He's flatout shut down guys like Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson and Mark Price who were some of the best PGs back then.

Also, Jordan was voted the best defender in the league in 1993 by the coaches. It's a load of trash because Hakeem/Robinson were obviously better and I feel the coaches probably felt the need to pick Jordan because they picked Hakeem as the MVP but still, it shows Jordan's defense had huge rep around the league.
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I'll say this.

If I had to defend a PG (any type) for a game or the course of a series, I'd take first three-peat Jordan over everybody else.

He had the size to not get bullied in the post (except the 1991 finals where Magic abused him), unreal foot speed and lateral movement to keep up with those speed demons, the ability to anticipate their movements and the size to contest jumpshots. MJ could cheat and recover at a extremely high level.

It was amazing how a guy his size could stay with guys much lighter and quicker than him.

He's flatout shut down guys like Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson and Mark Price who were some of the best PGs back then.

Also, Jordan was voted the best defender in the league in 1993 by the coaches. It's a load of trash because Hakeem/Robinson were obviously better and I feel the coaches probably felt the need to pick Jordan because they picked Hakeem as the MVP but still, it shows Jordan's defense had huge rep around the league.

So MJ gets a pass on reputation....and I don't mean to bring Kobe up on this thread, but why is he knocked for reputation.

Anyways, the point is, I believe Pippen was the better defender.

Don't let Jordan's number being retired in Miami fool you. He didn't play for Miami.
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Default Re: Better Defender on 1st 3-peat Bulls: Jordan or Pippen?

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you must be too young to even watch the Bulls or just started watching basketball.

Phil Jackson always puts his star players on another guy, to save them for offense. This thing about having someone cover the best guy, so Kobe can save it for offense, came from him doing that with Jordan.

Why do you think that Pippen was covering Kobe when they were playing the Bulls most of the time? Why didn't they put MJ on him?

Kobe was around in the early 90s? Coulda fooled me.
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Old 08-24-2011, 07:19 PM   #10
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you must be too young to even watch the Bulls or just started watching basketball.

Phil Jackson always puts his star players on another guy, to save them for offense. This thing about having someone cover the best guy, so Kobe can save it for offense, came from him doing that with Jordan.

Why do you think that Pippen was covering Kobe when they were playing the Bulls most of the time? Why didn't they put MJ on him?

Right cause Kobe was a superstar when Jordan was still playing on the Bulls. And you say I'm young?

Kobe saved his energy on offense cause he had to because he didn't have the stamina Jordan did. He didn't get that from doing it with Jordan. Its not like it was some absurd idea.

Its been proven time and time again that Jordan primarily guarded Magic in the 91 Finals despite the revisionist history. He guarded Drexler in the 92 Finals. He always guarded Reggie when they played. He always guarded Joe Dumars when they played. He always guarded Mitch Richmond when they played. Jordan guarded his position and Pippen guarded his position minus a few exceptions.
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So MJ gets a pass on reputation....and I don't mean to bring Kobe up on this thread, but why is he knocked for reputation.

Anyways, the point is, I believe Pippen was the better defender.

Don't let Jordan's number being retired in Miami fool you. He didn't play for Miami.


I don't give a flying **** about Jordan.

I think his second three-peat is overrated and I never liked him as a player so don't count me as someone who's fooled by his achievements.
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Pippen.

He usually was guarding the opposing team's best player.

No, he wasn't. Pippen defended SF's save for 3 exceptions in the 9 full seasons he and MJ played together. So if the best player happened to be a SF, yes, Pippen likely took him (though MJ switched onto some SF's if they were going off on Pippen, which was rare - e.g., Jordan switched onto Mullin in the second half one game and blanked him after he had a great first half against Pip). If the best player was a SG, combo guard, or occasionally a PG, Jordan took them.

Jordan was the better defender through his first retirement, though the gap was not large by 1993. MJ finished second in DPOY voting in 1993, and was voted DPOY in '93 by the coaches. Jerry West called him the best defensive player in the league that year; Phil Jackson during MJ's retirement called him "the greatest defensive player of his generation. MJ > Pip in terms of defensive impact until he retired in 1993, and then Pip > MJ in '96-'98. It's also arguable (but not clear) that Pippen's defensive peak ('94/'95) was higher than Jordan's ('90/'91 imo).

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Old 08-24-2011, 07:25 PM   #13
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No, he wasn't. Pippen defended SF's save for 3 exceptions in the 9 full seasons he and MJ played together. So if the best player happened to be a SF, yes, Pippen likely took him (though MJ switched onto some SF's if they were going off on Pippen, which was rare - e.g., Jordan switched onto Mullin in the second half one game and blanked him after he had a great first half against Pip). If the best player was a SG, combo guard, or occasionally a PG, Jordan took them.

Jordan was the beter defender through his first retirement, though the gap was not large by 1993. MJ finished second in DPOY voting in 1993, and was voted DPOY in '93 by the coaches. Jerry West called him the best defensive player in the league that year; Phil Jackson during MJ's retirement called him "the greatest defensive player of his generation. MJ > Pip in terms of defensive impact until he retired in 1993, and then Pip > MJ in '96-'98. It's also arguable (but not clear) that Pippen's defensive peak ('94/'95) was higher than Jordan's ('90/'91 imo).

Agreed. And since Kobe just HAD to be mentioned in this thread.....

Jordan > Pippen > Kobe
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This one is tough. They both guarded Magic in the Bulls first NBA Finals. The Blazers, Jordan was guarding Clyde. Pippen was guarding Jerome Kersey. I think Jordan had the tougher assignment. You get to the Suns. They both guarded Dan Marjerle. I would give Jordan the edge in the end.

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Pippen.

He usually was guarding the opposing team's best player.
Jordan was the one that guarded Drexler in the '92 Finals and Drexler shot 41% in that series.

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