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Old 09-01-2011, 12:15 PM   #16
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Default Re: Yes LeBron is a loser and a choker but...

Can't really argue with this.

All I really have to say is............... Kobe.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:15 PM   #17
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...and Bron and Bosh don't get to the Finals without Wade.

What's your point?
I disagree. But that's all speculation.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:24 PM   #18
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I disagree. But that's all speculation.
Heat needed both Wade and LeBron to perform spectacular to beat the Celtics so he is right like usual and you are wrong like usual. Wade was also better than LeBron in that series against Boston.

Wade is better than LeBron, deal with it.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:37 PM   #19
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Is Bron the one to blame for the Heat's loss? Yes.
But is he the only one to blame? No. Wade and Bosh weren't good enough to win it all as well.

Bottom line: LeBron DID choke, but don't act like Wade was all super and mighty.
Although he was better statistically, he made tons of bad decisions and took quite a lot of bad shots himself and couldn't step and carry the team as LeBron did a couple of times in these playoffs.

I've said this before. This point seems to be lost with all of the attention on Lebron. Wade, after coming on national TV making public declarations about how he was now the "captain" and the team's "leader", failed his team when they needed him most also. He only effectively closed out 1 game in the finals, and that was game 3. After being great during the first 47 minutes of game 4 he chokes in the final 30 seconds of a one possession game. He misses a game tying free throw and then fumbles a routine inbound pass almost creating a turnover forcing Mike Miller into a tough shot on the final play of again, a one possession game. Then in the final, do- or- die game 6, the Heat's self proclaimed leader has by far his worst game of the series scoring only 17pts on 37.5% shooting.

The OP is correct. Despite the inexplicably horrid performance of Lebron, Wade has been vastly let off the hook. Wade's reputation of being clutch and able to "carry" a team is riding almost solely off a questionably officiated Finals that happened half a decade ago. In this season's Finals we saw the same Wade who hadn't gotten out of the first round since then. In the series that he has been eliminated in since '06, he has been known to often have a few dominating games early, only to almost invariably in the close out game proceed to have his worst shooting performance of the entire series. Go check the box scores. It happened in '07, 10, and again this year. His team missed the '08 playoffs because of injuries. In '09 his game 7 was his 3rd worst shooting performances of that series against the Hawks.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:49 PM   #20
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why couldnt he choke against my Pistons ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

whatever, he's got a lot of time

i'm more surprised at the Lakers getting swept
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:58 PM   #21
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Well, as long as you acknowledge he's a choker. Didn't really read anything else in your post.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:01 PM   #22
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Interesting that in the do or die game, LeBron was better than Wade. Just saying.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:28 PM   #23
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Default Re: Yes LeBron is a loser and a choker but...

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I disagree. But that's all speculation.
Do you really think that Lebron and Bosh without Wade would make to the finals?With this Miami roster?

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Old 09-01-2011, 03:29 PM   #24
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Do you really think that Lebron without Bosh and Wade would make to the finals?With this Miami roster?
None of the Big 3 make it without at least one other member of the 3.
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None of the Big 3 make it without at least one other member of the 3.
he disagrees...
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:32 PM   #26
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:39 PM   #27
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I wrote wrong.Its Bron and Bosh without wade.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:40 PM   #28
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I wrote wrong.Its Bron and Bosh without wade.
If Mike Miller was healthy, that team would still have done well. Obviously may not have beat Boston, but they certainly would be capable of doing some damage over the years. They'd be hard pressed to win a ring against the Thunder though.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:52 PM   #29
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The bigger question is: could they have reached the finals without Bosh?
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:53 PM   #30
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I've said this before. This point seems to be lost with all of the attention on Lebron. Wade, after coming on national TV making public declarations about how he was now the "captain" and the team's "leader", failed his team when they needed him most also. He only effectively closed out 1 game in the finals, and that was game 3. After being great during the first 47 minutes of game 4 he chokes in the final 30 seconds of a one possession game. He misses a game tying free throw and then fumbles a routine inbound pass almost creating a turnover forcing Mike Miller into a tough shot on the final play of again, a one possession game. Then in the final, do- or- die game 6, the Heat's self proclaimed leader has by far his worst game of the series scoring only 17pts on 37.5% shooting.

The OP is correct. Despite the inexplicably horrid performance of Lebron, Wade has been vastly let off the hook. Wade's reputation of being clutch and able to "carry" a team is riding almost solely off a questionably officiated Finals that happened half a decade ago. In this season's Finals we saw the same Wade who hadn't gotten out of the first round since then. In the series that he has been eliminated in since '06, he has been known to often have a few dominating games early, only to almost invariably in the close out game proceed to have his worst shooting performance of the entire series. Go check the box scores. It happened in '07, 10, and again this year. His team missed the '08 playoffs because of injuries. In '09 his game 7 was his 3rd worst shooting performances of that series against the Hawks.
THIS. Wade gets less criticism from the media than any superstar I've ever seen.
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