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Old 09-08-2011, 02:07 PM   #106
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i agree every possible outcome should have a stat at this point in Pro Football

It has been and still very much is all about offense. Not for me. I love defense probably twice as much. I'm always one of the first people to believe guys like LT, Reggie White, Deion, et al were probably the best overall football player in the game in various years. Its biased as hell in that regard because we all know QB is king, but in my semi-delusional world, its all about beast pass rushers, playmaking safeties and lockdown corners.
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:37 PM   #107
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You know Aso's 31 targets last year accounted for .06% of the Raiders 470 total? .06% of the Titans (who led the league in passes against) would be 41.2 targets. The only time I saw the ball thrown Aso's way in preseason was the PI call everyone was debating vs. the Browns. Everyone throws Asante's way because he plays off his man and they appear open.

What's the avy bet # primetime? I'll take it. You're throwing out #s like 50 and 60+, wanna just set it at 45...I take the under and you the over?

edit: we already have one going for Miles Austin being top 3 in receiving yards

is 40 good?...that is still 25% more than his Oakland stuff


and we have to agree on a site I guess, since targets are not an official stat they are completely up to whoever is stating...

the link you just posted comparing Nnamdi to Routt has Nnamdi at 29 targets for the year but other sites have 32

IMO 40+ targets in Philly should def show that being on Oakland was part of the lack of targets...50+ should def have you and GoBB saying "okay you were def right about that"...
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Old 09-08-2011, 02:46 PM   #108
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is 40 good?...that is still 25% more than his Oakland stuff


and we have to agree on a site I guess, since targets are not an official stat they are completely up to whoever is stating...

the link you just posted comparing Nnamdi to Routt has Nnamdi at 29 targets for the year but other sites have 32

IMO 40+ targets in Philly should def show that being on Oakland was part of the lack of targets...50+ should def have you and GoBB saying "okay you were def right about that"...
He missed 2 games last year, so his targets likely would have been around 35. '08 he had 32 targets and missed 1 game. Only 5 more targets is enough to prove Oakland was the reason for such few targets? He could get 41 just by staying in Oakland this year. Like rasheed's already said, his targets can increase this year and we wouldn't be shocked.

Put it at 42.5 I got the under and lets go.

Use football outsiders since it's easy to find. Philly.com is always linking to stats there.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/pla...namdi-asomugha

^ Nnamdi's last 3 years
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Okay, I'll go with 42.5

and I'll use that site I guess

another month on top of the Miles bet?

was that a month bet I can't even remember...?
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ALSO, if he gets 50+ targets I expect some crow eating in here...
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Just make it 6 months, isn't that what you were challenging GOBB/rasheed to?

Just to ask...how many targets do you expect on him this year? just your prediction
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Just make it 6 months, isn't that what you were challenging GOBB/rasheed to?

Just to ask...how many targets do you expect on him this year? just your prediction
3 months on Miles top-3 yardage, 3 months on Nnamdi 0ver 42.5 targets via FB Outsiders

both have to play 15 games...can miss 1 game and still keep bet good

cool?



my prediction is at around 50...48-52 range
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Back on the topic at hand and something I briefly touched on a few pages back:

I could reasonably view Revis and Asomugha among the very greatest of all-time within a couple years maintaining their level of play. Not due to having seen them and not others (although that undoubtedly does play a role; everybody thinks the best of their formidable years is the greatest) but also the rule changes in the NFL passing game. Any rule change that benefits the quarterback has an immediate impact on a receiver's performances. And in some cases, it starts with the receiver. From one of my favorite, straight to the point articles from CHFF:

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Two major events launched NFL offenses into the Modern Age:

One, the NFL instituted wholesale rule changes to open up offense in 1978. Primarily, defenders could no longer rough up receivers beyond 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, while offensive linemen were allowed to extend their arms and use their hands in pass blocking. Two, the tandem of Joe Montana and Bill Walsh, a Paul Brown disciple, found each other in 1979.

The net result of the rule changes was that teams suddenly began passing the ball far more often and far more effectively. Passing attempts, passing yards and passing TDs skyrocketed in the early 1980s. Perhaps most notably, Dan Marino (who played for another Brown disciple, Don Shula) rewrote the record books with his 5,084 passing yards and 48 TDs in 1984.

His numbers were Ruthian in their scope, literally unimaginable just seven years earlier: Back in 1977, Buffalo quarterback Joe Ferguson led the NFL with 2,803 passing yards while another Miami Hall of Famer, Bob Griese, topped the league with 22 TD tosses.

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As if quarterbacks hadn't been coddled enough by coaches and rulemakers over the past two decades, one profound game, and one very angry team executive, made their lives even easier in 2004.

One, New England defenders pushed the bounds of pass interference rules in the 2003 AFC championship game, badly roughing up Indianapolis receivers and shutting down the Colts high-powered offense in a 24-14 Patriots victory. Two, Indy's powerful president, Bill Polian, complained to the league rather loudly in the wake of his team's loss.

As a result, the NFL determined that its officials would "re-emphasize" pass interference rules in 2004 and beyond. Though not officially a rule change, the impact on the passing game was profound.

The very next season, Indy quarterback Peyton Manning (pictured here) went out and rewrote the record books, with 49 TD passes and a 121.1 passer rating that was nearly 10 points better than any that had come before it. The league-wide passer rating, meanwhile, jumped from 78.3 in 2003 to a record 82.8 in 2004.

The records have remained under assault since then: Tom Brady broke Manning's TD-toss record with 50 in 2007, while posting the second-highest passer rating in history (117.2). With less fanfare, Drew Brees set a record with 440 completions in 2007. And, as noted above, NFL quarterbacks are poised to rewrite the record books in countless categories here in 2008, while newcomers have bucked tradition by easily performing at high level.

But today's high-flying newcomers and record-setting veterans aren't better quarterbacks than players of the past. They just have advantages their predecessors never enjoyed

What isn't mentioned is the fact that they also re-emphasized the 5-yard contact rule in 1996, it's implications similar to those of the re-emphasis on pass interference prior to 2004. Now in the last couple of years, they've gone even further in opening up the game with well known illegal hit/defenseless player stipulations.

Not saying they aren't correct in doing so in regards to player safety, but it's undoubtedly never been more difficult to play defense, much less cornerback in this league. You see the metrics for these guys and it's astonishing.

And I have no problem staying consistent when it goes the other way. All these things considered, somebody like Larry Fitzgerald probably isn't as close to Sterling Sharpe or Michael Irvin as it appears, much less Jerry Rice. It isn't fair, but it's probably the truth. 1000+ yards for a WR used to be a notable accomplishment. Now its become almost the norm for a decent wideout.
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Sam Bradford too p*ssy to look Aso way.
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Sam Bradford too p*ssy to look Aso way.
Sam targeted Aso once AND COMPLETED!!!
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Who caught it? TD?
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St. Louis: 56 passing yards.
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Who caught it? TD?
Amendola...Nnamdi was in zone though, be he was clearly the closest DB
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