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jazz873 · 10-18-2011, 12:36 AM

How many times has a qb finished the season with a 70% completion percentage?

-p.tiddy- · 10-18-2011, 12:42 AM

Stafford shouldn't be in the top-20...he is a decent QB with a ridiculous WR

Allen would be my DMVP right now...he is on pace to smash the sack record

Jackass18 · 10-18-2011, 12:48 AM

Stafford should be up there because of his team's record and his stats, but it doesn't matter because Rodgers and Brady are a good distance above everyone else right now.

RedBlackAttack · 10-18-2011, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by -p.tiddy-

Stafford shouldn't be in the top-20...he is a decent QB with a ridiculous WR

Now, you know damn well that, had Stafford gone to Oklahoma, you would be hailing him as the second coming. I don't know where he belongs in the MVP race, but he is better than just a decent QB with a ridiculous WR.

Hell, Brandon Pettigrew is on pace for 1,000+ yards receiving and 6 TDs, which is a HUGE jump in production.

Calvin Johnson has been a great, great receiver for many years now... Basically since he came into the league. The reason his numbers are so out of this world this year is that his quarterback is Matthew Stafford. He isn't a much better WR than he was last year.

Stafford is legit. I wish he was on my team.

-p.tiddy- · 10-18-2011, 01:57 AM

Stafford was horrible against Dallas in anything that wasn't Cavin related...

he IS good I guess...he isn't an elite QB though...not even close

and he wasn't a Sooner but he IS a Dallas native and went to a high school rival to my own, I have close friends that went to his high school...I promise you that I wish the best for him, the truth is that Calvin is much more valueble to that team than he is...

scott0326 · 10-18-2011, 02:14 AM

I don't think Stafford is in the same class as guys like Brady/Brees/Rodgers/Manning/Roethlisberger/Rivers, but I think he still falls somewhere in the top 10 QB's and definitely makes a huge difference. Having Calvin does help him some, Calvin can make Shaun Hill look pretty decent.. However, Calvin isn't the only reason Stafford is good and I think both players deserve to be top 10 in MVP conversation.

RedBlackAttack · 10-18-2011, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by -p.tiddy-

Stafford was horrible against Dallas in anything that wasn't Cavin related...

he IS good I guess...he isn't an elite QB though...not even close

and he wasn't a Sooner but he IS a Dallas native and went to a high school rival to my own, I have close friends that went to his high school...I promise you that I wish the best for him, the truth is that Calvin is much more valueble to that team than he is...

The Dallas game was the worst of the season for him. I'm not sure it is the best idea to base your opinions on him as a player on that one off game. That is the only game this year where he hasn't completed at least 56-percent of his throws... He was actually under 50-percent against Dallas, which would be a poor mark for any QB against any team.

At the same time, it wasn't ALL Calvin Johnson. He was clearly the MVP of that game, but Stafford also got Pettigrew pretty heavily involved with six catches for 64 yards and Titus Young also had 41 yards receiving.

I mean, I know that he has what I consider to be the best receiver in the league, but after Calvin, he isn't exactly loaded with great No. 2 and No. 3 receivers. His No. 2 target is pretty clearly his TE (Pettigrew). But, then what?

Titus Young? He is a rookie still learning the ropes. Nate Burleson? Just not a very good player.

It is an explosive offense because of Calvin, Best and Stafford... Pettigrew to a lesser extent. But, this isn't exactly the most all-around talented roster in the world.

I think Stafford has done a pretty damn good job this year.

You could pick literally any other game outside of Dallas this year and Stafford's performances have been very solid, even aside from Calvin.

For instance, I just randomly clicked a box score for Detroit this year...

@ Tampa Bay (a good defensive team)

Stafford: 24-33, 305 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT

Calvin Johnson: 6 catches, 88 yards, 2 TDs
Nate Burleson: 5 catches, 60 yards
Brandon Pettigrew: 4 catches, 57 yards
Jahvid Best: 4 catches, 42 yards
Maurice Morris: 2 catches, 25 yards
Tony Scheffler: 1 catch, 11 yards, TD

....and two other guys with one catch.

Eight different receivers touching the ball? Not one guy over 90 yards receiving? Finishing the game with over 300 yards and 3 TDs?

Nah... Stafford has been very good this year, the more I look at the numbers... And, it hasn't just been Calvin. He deserves mention, here.

InspiredLebowski · 10-18-2011, 03:34 AM

The constant Ndamukong Suh fellating as the best DT since Sapp is getting kinda old. The guy's GREAT, but he's not even the best in the league, Ngata is. Remember, what, 4 years ago? When the Ravens D was getting old (like Pitt's is now), Ray Lewis was too old and slow to be a LB force in the NFL anymore? Then they drafted Ngata and HOLY SHIT FEAR THE RAVENS D AGAIN. I'm not saying Ngata should be DMVP, honestly haven't thought about it much and don't really care, but I'm just saying the way the guy gets overlooked is nuts.

Anyway, Peyton should be MVP, like every year he's on an active roster.

bballer · 10-18-2011, 10:04 AM

Haloti Ngaga/thread

Carbine · 11-01-2011, 09:10 AM

Updated.

iggy> · 11-01-2011, 09:51 AM

Shady

Eric Cartman · 11-01-2011, 10:21 AM

Shady & Calvin make it right for once.

-p.tiddy- · 11-01-2011, 10:28 AM

If they had to vote today either Allen or Ware would take DMVP...likely Allen cause the .5 more sacks and more tackles

both on pace to break the sack record, I don't see how others could be voted over that...

Carbine · 11-01-2011, 10:44 AM

Shady has no argument to be in the top five for MVP. He's a great player, but his team is 3-4...and he's not exactly separating himself with his numbers from any other running back.

I'm not sure Allen would win it either. His team is on pace for 4 wins, which would be unprecedented for a DMVP winner in the last 20 years. Plus his defense is 26th in the league in ppg allowed, and 21st or something like that for total defense, which would also be unprecedented for a DMVP winner by a long shot for the last 20 years.

He'd still be right up near the top in most ballots, probably get some 1st place votes...but other guys would take some votes away from him because he doesn't fit the qualifications of past DMVP's as far as team success goes.

Sarcastic · 11-01-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by -p.tiddy-

If they had to vote today either Allen or Ware would take DMVP...likely Allen cause the .5 more sacks and more tackles

both on pace to break the sack record, I don't see how others could be voted over that...

I think this is another record that if broken will be somewhat cheapened. With teams passing so much more these days, there are a lot more opportunities to get sacks.