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Old 10-11-2011, 08:54 PM   #61
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After struggling against Belgian team with full of Americans

DWill is feasting with Euros soft

24 and 10 today

Hes not in full basketball shape yet.

Was it against Euroleague competition? If it wasn't, then no one cares. A guy putting up 24 and 10 in the D-League is not impressive. Why would it be any different in inferior leagues like Eurocup or Eurochallenge?

The only pro league that matters outside the NBA competition wise is the Euroleague. Unless an NBA player is playing in this league, you shouldn't bother posting stats.

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I am from Europe, everyone knows the best players are in the NBA... it is obvious players coming from the NBA may initially at least be less effective that usual, as they have to adapt to the differing rules on contact etc.
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Sounds like a great vacation, right? See the sights, try local food, experience a new culture. And hey, play some basketball with guys who aren't even in your league. You can drop 40 a game if you really want to, but you won't, because you're a guest in their country.

Turns out it's not quite that easy for Deron Williams with Besiktas in Turkey.

Williams led Besiktas into the EuroCup last week, which is a second tier tournament that took place in Belgium, and he had 7 points on 3 of 13 shooting with 6 turnovers. The man who should dominate at this level watched his team get eliminated fast.

Days before that in D-Will’s debut for Besiktas he was 3 for 15 shooting.

Williams told the New York Times that he's getting bumped around so much, it's difficult for him to adjust. So to review, he can't hit shots, and the guy who's less than four months removed from wrist surgery is getting lots of contact without an NBA training staff around.

That sound you hear is Mikhail Prokhorov saying "No, really, 52 percent BRI is fine!"


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...europe-so-far/


Deron Williams has not looked good. At all.

There is no sugar coating it. A few games in playing for Turkish side Besiktas, the biggest name in the NBA to sign overseas has not impressed anyone.

Williams led Besiktas into the EuroCup last week, which is a second tier tournament that took place in Belgium, and he had 7 points on 3 of 13 shooting with 6 turnovers. The man who should dominate at this level watched his team get eliminated fast.

Days before that in D-Will’s debut for Besiktas he was 3 for 15 shooting.

The man the Nets are talking about building around is getting bumped around, reports the New York Times. The physical play allowed in Europe seems to throw Williams off his game.

Asked if he was still adjusting to the European game, Williams said: “I mean, I’ve played in a lot of European basketball. I’ve played in the Olympics. But this is definitely different. The way the reffing has been going has been different for me, but I’ve got to adjust.”


Williams also looks out of shape, tweeted Jonathan Givony of Draft Express, something echoed by others watching the feed of the game.

It is all something that should concern Nets fans. It in no way is time to panic — he’s playing his way into shape and getting his skills sharp just being out on the court — but it’s something to watch. After playing through injuries last season and missing the end of the year, Williams is still trying to find his groove.


http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/feed...ocup-qualifier


Deron Williams, Besiktas ousted in EuroCup qualifier

Deron Williams’ stint with Besiktas is not off to a good start, as the Turkish team was eliminated from EuroCup competition, via a 74-63 loss to Dexia Mons-Hainaut in Belgium. Besiktas won the first game of the home-and-home qualifier by eight points, so Dexia Mons advances based on aggregate scores.

Williams, who signed a $5 million deal with Besiktas this summer, had just seven points, on 3-for-13 shooting, and seven assists, Draft Express’ Jonathan Givony reports via Twitter. He also has and six turnovers.

“Mons just beating the crap out of Besiktas,” Givony, watching the game on an Internet feed, wrote. “This is embarrassing. Up by 17, 3:28 left. Entire team's budget=1/3rd of Deron Williams' salary.”

Williams, Givony added, played “like he's being paid by Mons.”


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Good evidence as to why physical defense and hand checking make the game so much harder.
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Was it against Euroleague competition? If it wasn't, then no one cares. A guy putting up 24 and 10 in the D-League is not impressive. Why would it be any different in inferior leagues like Eurocup or Eurochallenge?

The only pro league that matters outside the NBA competition wise is the Euroleague. Unless an NBA player is playing in this league, you shouldn't bother posting stats.

You got it wrong. Even Deron putting up those numbers in Euroleague, it does not even matter. The only reason I am putting up those numbers is to counterpoint how DWill is adjusting to European style of which he struggled at the beginning as he came out of shape.

There are just too many scrubs and NBA dropouts who thrived and made some noises in Euroleague and they were afterthoughts.

The bottomline is a players worth will be measured against the best players and best competition and that is NBA.

If DWill is getting paid while he's messing around and rounding into shape then more power to him.
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You got it wrong. Even Deron putting up those numbers in Euroleague, it does not even matter. The only reason I am putting up those numbers is to counterpoint how DWill is adjusting to European style of which he struggled at the beginning as he came out of shape.

There are just too many scrubs and NBA dropouts who thrived and made some noises in Euroleague and they were afterthoughts.

The bottomline is a players worth will be measured against the best players and best competition and that is NBA.

If DWill is getting paid while he's messing around and rounding into shape then more power to him.

There have been a lot of scrubs and NBA dropouts who haven't done anything in Euroleague or Europe. What's your point?

Williams' struggles thus far prove that the Euroleague is quality competition. It may not be on the level of the NBA, but it's getting there.

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someone how euroleague will twist this sayingg it doesn't count and spew out some bs facts. But none the less glad he's starting to find a rhythm

It was a friendly game genius. An unofficial practice scrimmage.
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You got it wrong. Even Deron putting up those numbers in Euroleague, it does not even matter. The only reason I am putting up those numbers is to counterpoint how DWill is adjusting to European style of which he struggled at the beginning as he came out of shape.

There are just too many scrubs and NBA dropouts who thrived and made some noises in Euroleague and they were afterthoughts.

The bottomline is a players worth will be measured against the best players and best competition and that is NBA.

If DWill is getting paid while he's messing around and rounding into shape then more power to him.

He has only played 2 actual games. Not one of the games you are citing were real games.
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He has only played 2 actual games. Not one of the games you are citing were real games.

How many times I gotta tell you none of his Euro games are real. Just like Ice Cube say, he was just messing around and will get a triple double. ha ha ha.

Deron Williams is getting paid while working out and rounding into shape. FTW.
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There have been a lot of scrubs and NBA dropouts who haven't done anything in Euroleague or Europe. What's your point?

Williams' struggles thus far prove that the Euroleague is quality competition. It may not be on the level of the NBA, but it's getting there.

Euroleague is the 2nd best competition as far as leagues but I see more raw talents in NCAA.

If an NBA dropout cant play in Europe then they need to find another way of living, simple as that.
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It was a friendly game genius. An unofficial practice scrimmage.

Keep VSpan away from DWill. We might see DWill smashing a tomato can with an ankle breaker move. hi hi hih hih
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Keep VSpan away from DWill. We might see DWill smashing a tomato can with an ankle breaker move. hi hi hih hih

Williams didn't even get past Manztaris, a 21 year old 3rd string point guard of Olympiacos. He was struggling to even score against him.

He had to get his offense against 20 year old 4th string Olympiacos point guard Katsivelis.

The standard of NBA only fans for American NBA players "dominating in Europe" = scoring points against a 4th string 20 year old point guard (Katsivelis) in a FRIENDLY practice scrimmage.

According to NBA only fans that = even GOAT status in European basketball history.

This is such a comedy that it's almost too bizarre to even comprehend just how insanely delusional NBA only fans really are.


What's really hilarious though is that not one of you NBA only fans has the IQ to grasp that official Euroleague games are coming soon, with numerous NBA players playing in them. You seem to not even grasp just how much your delusional world is about to crumble.

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Williams didn't even get past Manztaris, a 21 year old 3rd string point guard of Olympiacos. He was struggling to even score against him.

He had to get his offense against 20 year old 4th string Olympiacos point guard Katsivelis.

The standard of NBA only fans for American NBA players "dominating in Europe" = scoring points against a 4th string 20 year old point guard (Katsivelis) in a FRIENDLY practice scrimmage.

According to NBA only fans that = even GOAT status in European basketball history.

This is such a comedy that it's almost too bizarre to even comprehend just how insanely delusional NBA only fans really are.


What's really hilarious though is that not one of you NBA only fans has the IQ to grasp that official Euroleague games are coming soon, with numerous NBA players playing in them. You seem to not even grasp just how much your delusional world is about to crumble.

DWill was having his way against those Olympiakos. He struggled against Americans but put those Euros on him, he will be man among boys.

Who cares about Euroleague games, Tony Parker was torching everyone at Eurobasket and did not even bother. Good thing VSpan punked out, he would be a victim as well.
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After struggling against Belgian team with full of Americans

DWill is feasting with Euros soft

24 and 10 today

Hes not in full basketball shape yet.
Out of shape Deron hardly trying>any player in Europe, even the great Bo McCalleb
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DWill was having his way against those Olympiakos. He struggled against Americans but put those Euros on him, he will be man among boys.

Who cares about Euroleague games, Tony Parker was torching everyone at Eurobasket and did not even bother. Good thing VSpan punked out, he would be a victim as well.

Katsivelis is 20 years old and a 5th string PG of Olympiacos. That's who Williams scored almost all his points against. In a FRIENDLY game.

And no one in Europe cares about NBA games.

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Katsivelis is 20 years old and a 4th string PG of Olympiacos. That's who Williams scored almost all his points against. In a FRIENDLY game.

And no one in Europe cares about NBA games.

I am in Europe and I don't care about Euroleague games.. Talk for yourself and talk for Arkansas, you're not even European..
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