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Old 10-11-2011, 08:55 PM   #31
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There are 1200 billionaires on the planet. There are 450 NBA quality players on the planet.

It would be much easier to replace the owners than it would be to replace the players. Simple math tells us so.

And there's a reason those people are billionaires. They take calculated risks. There smart with there money. Do you think a guy is going to invest all his money to own a team to rival the NBA in a market like Milwuakee? Denver even? No there not. Right off the bat you'd end up with like 5-8 teams probably. Yeah LeBron is going to leave to play in a league like that. These guy's LOVE what the NBA provides. The marketing. The venues. The competition. Think people are going to tune in to watch Kobe play a bunch of scrubs? NBA would throw tons of money at the middle tier guy's. College players coming up through the draft. It'd hurt both leagues.

It simply can't happen and it won't happen. ALOT of things would need to happen for it to work. Maybe 15 years down the line the NBA faulters massively but as of right now it'd be impossible.
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:57 PM   #32
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You'd need a group of 15-25 guy's who are LOADED and don't care about taking an L. Guy's who'd be willing to take huge losses over an extended period of time.

NBA players couldn't do it themselves. It's not even a realistic question.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:27 PM   #33
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There are 1200 billionaires on the planet. There are 450 NBA quality players on the planet.

It would be much easier to replace the owners than it would be to replace the players. Simple math tells us so.
And yet not one of them will step up and buy the Hornets but you think a handfull of them would be willing to dump hundreds of million on a league that has little chance of success
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:28 PM   #34
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Wait to people actually think this is possible?

First off you'd have to get all 300+ players to agree on everything as well as all the college guy's coming up. Once this happened the NBA would unlock and throw money at guy's and you'd probably end up with 2 separate league's both with glaring holes. That's if you find enough investors for everything that's needed to run a team. NBA players simply aren't rich enough to man a 20 league team. You need to hire medical staff, coaches etc. There's reason why all the NBA players can do right now is put on street ball games, it's the only thing that's realistic.

If anything the only possibility the NBA could be took over is if a group of investors came up with this idea and tried to poach away the NBA players. Even than there's a reason it hasn't happened, the NBA is the definition of an established business. They have the market, TV contracts, Arenas, Owners. Everything. Right now they just lack the players, witch will eventually come to an end because the players know it's there only longterm option. Kobe Bryant knows it. LeBron knows it. Mike Miller knows it.

They'll never be another successful basketball league like the NBA in North American anytime soon. Period. It's not even arguable.

Actually you would most likely only need 90% of the superstars to sign off and then 60-75% of the mid-level to bi-annual exception pay-scale players to sign off along with a few sympathetic ex-player and/or celebrity investors (Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Jay Z, etc) to make this happen. This is obviously all hypothetical but regardless it's much more plausible than just saying that a players owned league is impossible. It's highly plausible if you look at how far the players have come in the last couple of decades, as far as bargaining power and individual wealth.
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Not to mention the 30 billionaires that's gonna totally cockblock that new league.
Television and advertising executives and stadium owners will forget those 30 billionaires quickly and hop on the bankroll of any new blood in almost every market. Life is short. SHorter for these crusty old billionaires.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:36 PM   #36
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Actually you would most likely only need 90% of the superstars to sign off and then 60-75% of the mid-level to bi-annual exception pay-scale players to sign off along with a few sympathetic ex-player and/or celebrity investors (Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Jay Z, etc) to make this happen. This is obviously all hypothetical but regardless it's much more plausible than just saying that a players owned league is impossible. It's highly plausible if you look at how far the players have come in the last couple of decades, as far as bargaining power and individual wealth.

Um what? So the league would only be ran be the superstars? Derek Fisher wouldn't get a say on how the league was ran?. I'd assume every single player that was to be part of this league would vote on a commisner\rules. They'd have to agree on hand checking, roster spots etc. schedules. List goes on. That's not even thinking about the $ side of things. Jay-Z is part owner of the Nets.

That's why if there was another league to show up it wouldn't be from the players. Plus they don't have enough money to run an NBA like league.

Serious question what person is going to pour money into the small market area's?
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Television and advertising executives and stadium owners will forget those 30 billionaires quickly and hop on the bankroll of any new blood in almost every market. Life is short. SHorter for these crusty old billionaires.
Forget those 30 Billionaires?

In what world does Disney or TNT forget 30 billionaires and back out of a multi year multi billion dollar contract and expose themselves to the largest lawsuit to come down in the history of sports? In what world do the owners of the Miami areana tell Mickey Arinson to take a hike... lol you guys are looney tunes
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:41 PM   #38
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Forget those 30 Billionaires?

In what world does Disney or TNT forget 30 billionaires and back out of a multi year multi billion dollar contract and expose themselves to the largest law suit to come down in the history of sports? In what world do the owners of the Miami arean tell Mickey arinson to take a hike... lol you guys are looney tunes

What? LeBron James and Kobe Bryant clearly have more power

James and Kobe and these "superstars" would be the first one's running back to the league. Wouldn't even attempt something like that. T
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imo the goal of doing this would be to scare nba to signing a deal/merging, not actually createa self sustaining new league for long term

but contracts wopuld be void so.......
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Impossible.
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Most players can't even manage their own money. How can they manage a complex business like NBA.

Beside they will take huge losses and by the time they can break even, the billionaires already created new superstars from colleges and all over the world.
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Wow, there's alot of really small thinkers in this thread.

You really think it would be that hard to start a new league? You create an organizing body of really smart business types to make it happen. The players don't run the league. They hire smart people to do it for them.

You don't think investors would line up to help this new league get on its feet?


They already have the most imporant part of a league...THE PLAYERS....essentially THE CONTENT. Some TV deals, arena deals, sponsorships, investors....it'll take work and take a few years to work out the kinks, but ultimately better for players in long run.


Think differently.
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it doesn't has to be only ''Players'' Owned League
people (fans) can buy sahres..

New Basketball League + New Franchises


for fcuk sake it's been 30 years and Stern is still there
a revolution needed .. no more family businesses

ownership

(rights of ownership to the public using shares)

LBJ and Wade can establish a franchise and have 51% of the shares
same thing goes for the super stars and the rest of players GM's trainers etc
the public and basketball fans can buy shares

as 97 bulls said
Since players are irreplaceable
Bottom line, flatout. Which honestly is something you can't say for the owners, GM'S, trainers, ballboys, etc. You don't have a grocery store without gorceries.

- In business, your two biggest costs are the actual product your selling and labor. The players in this case are both.
- players don't need the owners to play basketball.
- Millions of people are willing to pay top dollar to watch them


but i know the 1% who control America won't allow this to happen, but it's ok to dream

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This won't happen...

Funding = shares
Crappy product will result, because they'll make all sorts of dumb rules
Most likely, it will be a No-D league... = only NBA people know? without them we have no basketball

No Arenas Either... = WTF
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And yet not one of them will step up and buy the Hornets but you think a handfull of them would be willing to dump hundreds of million on a league that has little chance of success

The Hornets actually would have numerous buyers if the NBA would allow them to move from New Orleans.
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