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Old 10-15-2011, 05:55 AM   #76
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I'm only drawing upon his only FIBA experience. He did okay...struggled at times, and during other stretches looked pretty good.

It's hard playing PG on a team full of strangers with big egos.
Having Durant on the team really helps, though.
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The only league in Europe that does not use English as a primary language is the Spanish League. Every other league is operated in ENGLISH. Besides that, the Spanish League has translators for Americans that need them.

So, if this is true, then EVERY European player that 'played bad in NBA" did so because they were merely trying to avoid injury and were merely in USA as a holiday.
In fact, some coaches (maybe all of them) speak English during timeouts.
You can hear it during televised games.
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Old 10-15-2011, 05:57 AM   #78
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The only league in Europe that does not use English as a primary language is the Spanish League. Every other league is operated in ENGLISH. Besides that, the Spanish League has translators for Americans that need them.

So, if this is true, then EVERY European player that 'played bad in NBA" did so because they were merely trying to avoid injury and were merely in USA as a holiday.


I'm talking about the adjustment from being able to understand all your teammates, fans, and stadium workers to not being able to as well. I'm not making that an excuse, I'm saying that SOME players might need more time to adjust considering all the factors I listed.

I also stated (in so many words) that D Will might be getting his ass handed to him because he's out of shape and under estimating his comp.
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Olympics:

1936: U.S.

1948: U.S.

1952: U.S.

1956: U.S.

1960: U.S.

1964: U.S.

1968: U.S.


1972: Soviet Union

1976: U.S.

1980: Yugoslavia

1984: U.S.

1988: Soviet Union

1992: U.S.

1996: U.S.

2000: U.S.


2004: Argentina

2008: U.S.

U.S. wins in 2012 =)

I think its pretty undisputed who is the best.

There is talent all over the world. Bad players in the nba...good players in the nba. Bad players overseas, good players overseas. But the NBA has the most talent by far.

Just the facts.

Basically look at it like you are holding tryouts for your school basketball team.

School A has 500 kids. School B has 1500 kids.

School A has 20 kids come to tryouts. School B has a couple Days of tryouts and over 100 kids to pick from.

The NBA has better players coming into the league. The talent will be much higher. And they will have less bad players.


This is like somebody trying to say that canadian football is better than the NFL...

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Trying to get facts from Lakas is stupid as well.

I've asked him tens of venerable questions about Euroleague and have stated multiple times that I actually like Euro style of play (passing, not too guard oriented, all 5 players having tools/less specialists, less emphasis on star players) more than the NBA and I respect the league but he continues on his tirade.


You are trolling bud. Saying Rose would be the best PG in Europe is trolling. There is nothing in his skills and game that would work in Euroleague. He would be a great athlete and good in the open court. That's it.
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Old 10-15-2011, 05:57 AM   #81
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Having Durant on the team really helps, though.


Having a team full of players that know each other and have played together for years helps as well (esp as a PG).
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Oh right. You got me, I know nothing about basketball and you keep saying that Rose would be a disaster in europe when way worse players have succeeded

Like I said, you clearly know nothing about basketball.
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You are trolling bud. Saying Rose would be the best PG in Europe is trolling. There is nothing in his skills and game that would work in Euroleague. He would be a great athlete and good in the open court. That's it.


1.) I just saw Bo McCalebb take Barcelona off the dribble a lot in some highlights--Rose couldn't do that?

2.) Rose can't run an offense?

3.) Rose can't drive and dish?


You are trolling bud, but keep on...it's what you do best.


Remember, you said Team USA would NOT win gold and they did.

You CAN be wrong sometimes.
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Having a team full of players that know each other and have played together for years helps as well (esp as a PG).
Yeah, I agree, just giving Durant some props.
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I meant the "Lakas says something way too extreme, some other poster answer with a similar post" thing.

So let me get this straight..........

These guys say things like, "Deron Williams will be the automatic GOAT in Europe".

"Ty Lawson will be the best point guard in Europe."

"Derrick Rose would be the best point guard in Europe, hands down".

And you think I am the problem here? Thanks a lot.

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Yeah, I agree, just giving Durant some props.
He beasted, no doubt.

Too bad Euroleague won't give him and Team USA props for what they did.

When we win gold in the summer he'll be filled with more excuses.
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So let me get this straight..........

These guys say things like, "Deron Williams will be the automatic GOAT in Europe".

"Ty Lawson will be the best point guard in Europe."

"Derrick Rose would be the best point guard in Europe, hands down".

And you think I am the problem here? Thanks a lot.

I just say you need to calm down and ignore troll posts.
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So let me get this straight..........

These guys say things like, "Deron Williams will be the automatic GOAT in Europe".

"Ty Lawson will be the best point guard in Europe."

"Derrick Rose would be the best point guard in Europe, hands down".

And you think I am the problem here? Thanks a lot.



You said he would be utter garbage and wouldn't last two weeks and I combated your ignorant and unfounded point with one of my own.

But now you mad
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I get you...but the way you post incites other posters to type mess along with you. I've never said that all Euros were scrubs or that Euroleague is a scrub league. I played ball at a high level with D-1 and NBA talent and I can say without a doubt that Europe has top notch ballers.

I feel that the gap is in between our stars and Euro stars. America concentrates so much on the individual to our credit and hindrance.

The development of stars has created an awesome/wealthy league but it has also degraded the game some.

Did I expect D Will to do better? Yes.
Can he? Of course.
Is is startling that upon being challenged by Euro talent that wants a piece of him that he came to Greece out of shape and underestimating his peers? I think not.

And who are these top NBA players that are better than any Euroleague player? Derrick Rose sure the hell is not one of them. In addition to that, his game is not suited for Euroleague. His game is not even suited for NBA of the 80s-90s.

I understand if you are a Bulls fan that you like Rose. And I don't think Rose is bad player, if he played within his limits. But to suggest that he would be "the best point guard in Europe hands down" is just ridiculous.

I don't think he would be even remotely near that. I am just being realistic and objective in that assessment. You, on the other hand, are not.
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Olympics:

1936: U.S.

1948: U.S.

1952: U.S.

1956: U.S.

1960: U.S.

1964: U.S.

1968: U.S.


1972: Soviet Union

1976: U.S.

1980: Yugoslavia

1984: U.S.

1988: Soviet Union

1992: U.S.

1996: U.S.

2000: U.S.


2004: Argentina

2008: U.S.

U.S. wins in 2012 =)

I think its pretty undisputed who is the best.

There is talent all over the world. Bad players in the nba...good players in the nba. Bad players overseas, good players overseas. But the NBA has the most talent by far.

Just the facts.

Basically look at it like you are holding tryouts for your school basketball team.

School A has 500 kids. School B has 1500 kids.

School A has 20 kids come to tryouts. School B has a couple Days of tryouts and over 100 kids to pick from.

The NBA has better players coming into the league. The talent will be much higher. And they will have less bad players.


This is like somebody trying to say that canadian football is better than the NFL...

Sorry, but Olympics have always been irrelevant... you have to look at World Championship...
Winners:
Yugoslavia - 5 times
U.S. 4 times
Soviet Union - 3 times
Brazil 2 times
Spain 1 time
Argentina 1 time
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