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Old 10-18-2011, 11:56 AM   #31
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No one's really saying it's a good deal, but nobody is saying ITS THE WORST DEAL EVER like you, which is an overreaction.
this is up there as one of the worst trades ever IMO...

at least top-5...probably top-3

Hershall Walker trade...Ricky Willams trade...and THIS
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this is up there as one of the worst trades ever IMO...

at least top-5...probably top-3

Hershall Walker trade...Ricky Willams trade...and THIS
I'll be willing to say that in 5 years to see how Palmer played and how the Picks turned out.

For all we know, Palmer could return to Pro Bowl form and both picks could be busts.
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I'll be willing to say that in 5 years to see how Palmer played and how the Picks turned out.

For all we know, Palmer could return to Pro Bowl form and both picks could be busts.
he won't

I know he won't

he isn't capable of that level of play any more...

if the Radiers had Calvin Johnson then maybe...but they don't they have the amazing Heyward-Bey
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:03 PM   #34
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I'll be willing to say that in 5 years to see how Palmer played and how the Picks turned out.

For all we know, Palmer could return to Pro Bowl form and both picks could be busts.
That's not the way to evaluate the trade though. If you deal the first pick in the draft and it's used on Sam Bowie while MJ is still available you've still made a mistake.
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:03 PM   #35
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Palmer was poor last season...like really dissapointing when I watched him. Arm strength was weak and made poor decisions. However, I've always been a big fan of Palmer so I wish him success in Oaktown
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Thank god that piece of shit is out of here. Now let's keep getting better and better with Dalton and Green. Hoping Benson doesn't get suspended though.
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:22 PM   #37
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I think it was worth the try. Look at our team. We've done a lot better with later round picks anyway and this team is trying to win now, not take a step back yet again. Palmer is worth the gamble with our running game and a decent defense. Would anyone disagree that he is an upgrade over Campbell? I'm not sure he is in game shape but he should be healthy and well rested.
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The Bengals pretty much got 2 picks for free. They got rid of a non active player for 2 potential studs. Bengals got over.

Imagine being able to trade in your aging wife who refuses to have sex with you for 2 chicks straight out of college.
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:28 PM   #39
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he isn't capable of that level of play any more...

if the Radiers had Calvin Johnson then maybe...but they don't they have the amazing Heyward-Bey

And the picks could be busts. Then what are you going to say? Garbage QB for garbage picks = push
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And the picks could be busts. Then what are you going to say? Garbage QB for garbage picks = push
this isn't like the Browns trade though, who we know would have taken Julio...or at least we are 99% sure the Browns would have taken Julio


Palmer was DONE in Cincy, literally...so this is just free stuff for Cincy, they can't lose even if the picks are busts...maybe it could be seen as wasted money if the picks are busts or something, that is about it.
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this isn't like the Browns trade though, who we know would have taken Julio...or at least we are 99% sure the Browns would have taken Julio


Palmer was DONE in Cincy, literally...so this is just free stuff for Cincy, they can't lose even if the picks are busts...maybe it could be seen as wasted money if the picks are busts or something, that is about it.

Still good for my Raiders. We are 4-2 and all we had to trot out there is Kyle f'n Boller or Pryor? You haven't absolutely sucked for a long time so you don't understand what it has been like. I applaud the team for this move and what it says about the Raiders going forward.
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The Bengals pretty much got 2 picks for free. They got rid of a non active player for 2 potential studs. Bengals got over.

Imagine being able to trade in your aging wife who refuses to have sex with you for 2 chicks straight out of college.

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Still good for my Raiders. We are 4-2 and all we had to trot out there is Kyle f'n Boller or Pryor? You haven't absolutely sucked for a long time so you don't understand what it has been like. I applaud the team for this move and what it says about the Raiders going forward.
you did have to get a decent QB one way or another yeah...

you guys traded away your future for an old QB though...you have to win NOW for this to work and I am not at all convinced Palmer is capable of that.
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you did have to get a decent QB one way or another yeah...

you guys traded away your future for an old QB though...you have to win NOW for this to work and I am not at all convinced Palmer is capable of that.

A first and second won't kill us. A first one year and first another year won't kill us. What will make or break us is what we do in free agency.
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I think it was worth the try. Look at our team. We've done a lot better with later round picks anyway and this team is trying to win now, not take a step back yet again. Palmer is worth the gamble with our running game and a decent defense. Would anyone disagree that he is an upgrade over Campbell? I'm not sure he is in game shape but he should be healthy and well rested.
Both rate in the 80s. Palmer's peak was much higher but we haven't seen that level from him in years. Palmer definitely could be an upgrade but an upgrade worth a first plus the conditional? They needed a 1-2 month stopgap but instead mortgaged their future on an unnecessary replacement and barring another trade are headed for QB controversy. When you have a solid QB you only trade for a new one if he's Pro Bowl level. Throw in Pryor and they've committed far too many assets to hat position.
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