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Old 10-07-2013, 09:21 PM   #1
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Default "atheim favors the devil" -Justice Scalia

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Scalia says atheism 'favors the devil's desires'

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-editor

(CNN) - As the Supreme Court begins its new term Monday, the devil is not on the docket Ė but the Evil One apparently is on the mind of Justice Antonin Scalia.

New York magazine has published a fascinating new interview with Scalia in which the outspoken jurist tackled a number of topics. But none seemed to surprise Scalia's interviewer, Jennifer Senior, more than his views on Satan.

The interview was conducted on September 26, the 27th anniversary of Scalia's swearing-in as a justice on the high court. He is one of a record six Catholic justices on the Supreme Court.

After Scalia and Senior discussed heaven and hell (he believes in them; she doesn't), the justice said in a stage whisper, "I even believe in the devil."

"You do?" Senior replied.

"Of course! Yeah, heís a real person. Hey, come on, thatís standard Catholic doctrine! Every Catholic believes that," Scalia said.

Senior asked Scalia if he's seen evidence of Satan's work recently.

"You know, it is curious," Scalia answered. "In the Gospels, the devil is doing all sorts of things. Heís making pigs run off cliffs, heís possessing people and whatnot. And that doesnít happen very much anymore. ... Itís because heís smart."

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Scalia said the Devil has gotten "wilier" and convinced people that he and God don't exist. The justice added that he doesn't think that atheists are Satan's minions, but that disbelief in God "certainly favors the devil's desires."

Senior asked if it's "frightening" to believe in the devil, which seemed to annoy Scalia.

"Youíre looking at me as though Iím weird," he answered. "My God! Are you so out of touch with most of America, most of which believes in the devil? I mean, Jesus Christ believed in the devil! Itís in the Gospels! You travel in circles that are so, so removed from mainstream America that you are appalled that anybody would believe in the devil! Most of mankind has believed in the devil, for all of history. Many more intelligent people than you or me have believed in the devil."

Scalia, whose son, Paul, is a Catholic priest in Arlington, Virginia, also said Pope Francis is "absolutely" right about the church needing to concentrate more on mercy and outreach than on fighting the culture wars.

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"But he hasnít backed off the view of the church on those issues," Scalia said. "Heís just saying, 'Donít spend all our time talking about that stuff. Talk about Jesus Christ and evangelize.' I think thereís no indication whatever that heís changing doctrinally."

Finally, Scalia said he has not "softened" his views on homosexuality.

"I still think itís Catholic teaching that itís wrong. OK? But I donít hate the people that engage in it. In my legal opinions, all Iíve said is that I donít think the Constitution requires the people to adopt one view or the other," Scalia said.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:24 PM   #2
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Default Re: "atheim favors the devil" -Justice Scalia

Scalia is a devil himself... He's also an idiot
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:28 PM   #3
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Default Re: "atheim favors the devil" -Justice Scalia

He's wrong...but he's by far the best Justice.
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Old 10-08-2013, 02:34 AM   #4
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oooh. the devil!
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Default Re: "atheim favors the devil" -Justice Scalia

He's also just a tool.
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Old 10-08-2013, 04:22 AM   #6
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Default Re: "atheim favors the devil" -Justice Scalia

There's a difference in saying one believes in the devil and saying one believes the devil exists. The former saying is stupid. Believe in him for what? He can't do anything for you. He's already been judged to the lake of fire, it's just a matter of time.
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Old 10-08-2013, 04:37 AM   #7
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He's already been judged to the lake of fire, it's just a matter of time.

Some people believe the devil is the good guy and God is evil. The devil did give us knowledge while God sends people to eternal punishment for not being sweet on him. If someone also believes that good ultimately trumps evil then why wouldn't they believe in him?
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:41 PM   #8
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He's wrong...but he's by far the WORST Justice.

FTFT

Scalia is awful and understands nothing about what this country is meant to be.
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Default Re: "atheim favors the devil" -Justice Scalia

Nah guys like Dawkins and Hitchens are actually warriors who seek to cut through BS and to acquire the truth. That's a very noble intellectual pursuit. Actually most of the religious thinkers are on the same mission as well. The leaders.. that's a different story.

I mean sure there are plenty of Atheists who are low consciousness jackasses who are adamant about putting others down and deeming religious people jerkoffs and acting out as revenge, but many have higher souls as well. F.e. lamar doom and b-low seem to be an upstanding fellows and enjoys sharing knowledge and laughter amongst the crowd. That's a mark of a compassioante human being.

Depends on the human. Anywho no matter what your beliefs, there are certain traits and qualities you can evolve from if you put your mind to it.

The resources are out there :)

But I will say this though.

Infants and kids in their default state (IMO) can benefit from believing in a God. In their primal state, a good dose of healthy fear is a solid guide to discern right and wrong until the logical brain kicks in. It sounds bad but its a powerful persuader. Perhaps the most powerful persuader. But we want human beings to be fearless but too many fearless human beings are psychopaths with no concern or regard for selflessness and other virtues religion espouses.

But the more I think about it the more it seems most people in general; atheist or non atheist are emotional.

May look into blink and freakonomics and behavioral psychology a bit more for this. Where's ridonks when u need him

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Old 10-10-2013, 01:44 PM   #10
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"atheism favors the devil" -Justice Scalia
atheism does not contain devils or gods AFAIK. catholicism very much does, so as to balance its mythological logic.

CONCLUSION: you seem to have it backwards, mister scalia.


side note: what the hell is a dipshit like this doing on the supreme court, anyway?
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:45 AM   #11
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atheism does not contain devils or gods AFAIK. catholicism very much does, so as to balance its mythological logic.

CONCLUSION: you seem to have it backwards, mister scalia.


side note: what the hell is a dipshit like this doing on the supreme court, anyway?
If you start with the belief that there is a God and a devil(which he obviously has), it makes perfect sense to believe that atheism favors the devil.
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If you start with the belief that there is a God and a devil(which he obviously has), it makes perfect sense to believe that atheism favors the devil.
i know that, but i expect better from someone in his position.

not necessarily an evolved catholic viewpoint, but some skill in finding even-handed judgement. itís creepy hearing someone in his position say this kind of thing.
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Default Re: "atheim favors the devil" -Justice Scalia

atheism favors living the life that makes sense. you can be free and do things that you like, which doesn't hurt anyone, and not feel guilty about it.

religion takes away those liberties and forces people to live irrationally for no reason other than fear of the unknown, unproven, and imagined.
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Default Re: "atheim favors the devil" -Justice Scalia

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Scalia said the Devil has gotten "wilier" and convinced people that he and God don't exist. The justice added that he doesn't think that atheists are Satan's minions, but that disbelief in God "certainly favors the devil's desires."
lol, Catholicism is brilliant, it even explains disbelief in terms of its own faith: if you doubt the devil it's the devil that's making you doubt him.



So convenient.
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Default Re: "atheim favors the devil" -Justice Scalia

The justice added that he doesn't think that atheists are Satan's minions, but that disbelief in God "certainly favors the devil's desires."

The man is correct. Is he not?
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