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Old 10-30-2011, 01:15 AM   #76
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Jackass is acting like a jackass with that last post.

So, you're avoiding it to?
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Old 10-30-2011, 01:22 AM   #77
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Idont have to tell you anything just waiting for you to explain how matt ryan throwing 29 tds and 9 ints make him a better qb?
leading his team to victories including 4th quarter comebacks, being efficient, not turning over the ball nearly as much isnt enough now?
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Old 10-30-2011, 01:49 AM   #78
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leading his team to victories including 4th quarter comebacks, being efficient, not turning over the ball nearly as much isnt enough now?

Eli has 16 4th qtr comebacks, ahead of Romo, Rivers, Vick, Schaub (I understand he didnt play as long as Eli did but still), Ryan (same situation), trailing Big Ben, Brees, Peyton and Brady.

Also has 20 game winning drives, once again ahead of Romo, Rivers, Vick, Schaub, Ryan behind the same 4 prior.

Eli has proven that he's a clutch QB. Not the flashiest, most productive, or most likeable, but def a very solid NFL QB, not an elite QB (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton) but 100% in the tier below (w/ Big Ben, Rivers, Romo, Schaub)

How ppl deny the dude his just due is ridiculous. He is what he is, not at all the best, not at all the worst but much closer to the best than the worst.
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Old 10-30-2011, 01:00 PM   #79
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Eli has 16 4th qtr comebacks, ahead of Romo, Rivers, Vick, Schaub (I understand he didnt play as long as Eli did but still), Ryan (same situation), trailing Big Ben, Brees, Peyton and Brady.

Also has 20 game winning drives, once again ahead of Romo, Rivers, Vick, Schaub, Ryan behind the same 4 prior.

Eli has proven that he's a clutch QB. Not the flashiest, most productive, or most likeable, but def a very solid NFL QB, not an elite QB (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton) but 100% in the tier below (w/ Big Ben, Rivers, Romo, Schaub)

How ppl deny the dude his just due is ridiculous. He is what he is, not at all the best, not at all the worst but much closer to the best than the worst.

So you are just going to ignore my other two points?

Is this really helping you?
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:42 PM   #80
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So you are just going to ignore my other two points?

Is this really helping you?

Helping me what?

You used a point to try to prove that Ryan, Romo etc were better than Eli, a point which actually favors Eli over those very guys you mentioned....so idk what you're uptight about?

If you're gonna try to argue against a player, dont use a point that clearly favors the dude you're arguing against.

Quite the opposite of what you're intending to do if you ask me.

If you woulda kept it at turnovers/completion pct then you wouldve had no response from my part.

But then again you didnt hence my response.
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Old 11-03-2011, 06:56 PM   #81
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:03 PM   #82
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Eli has 16 4th qtr comebacks, ahead of Romo, Rivers, Vick, Schaub (I understand he didnt play as long as Eli did but still), Ryan (same situation), trailing Big Ben, Brees, Peyton and Brady.

Also has 20 game winning drives, once again ahead of Romo, Rivers, Vick, Schaub, Ryan behind the same 4 prior.

Eli has proven that he's a clutch QB. Not the flashiest, most productive, or most likeable, but def a very solid NFL QB, not an elite QB (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton) but 100% in the tier below (w/ Big Ben, Rivers, Romo, Schaub)

How ppl deny the dude his just due is ridiculous. He is what he is, not at all the best, not at all the worst but much closer to the best than the worst.

17 now.
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:50 PM   #83
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i compare eli manning to john elway. they both started their careers in a mediocre type of way throwing a lot of interceptions. however, when the game was on the line, and the stakes were high, both guys pulled whatever magic tricks they had and executed. not the best qbs, but they win
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:56 PM   #84
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2nd in MVP race? idklol
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Old 11-07-2011, 12:00 AM   #85
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i compare eli manning to john elway. they both started their careers in a mediocre type of way throwing a lot of interceptions. however, when the game was on the line, and the stakes were high, both guys pulled whatever magic tricks they had and executed. not the best qbs, but they win

dont dare compare the great elway to eli manning.
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Old 11-07-2011, 11:49 AM   #86
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Both have higher ceilings, but I agree Manning has been more consistent this season.
higher ceilings? wtf does a higher ceiling mean? you know ryan leaf had a higher ceiling than peyton manning right? fcuk your higher ceilings b*tch. you just hate eli because he finds a way to sh*t on your always overrated patriots defense. get over it son
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Old 11-07-2011, 12:01 PM   #87
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higher ceilings? wtf does a higher ceiling mean? you know ryan leaf had a higher ceiling than peyton manning right? fcuk your higher ceilings b*tch. you just hate eli because he finds a way to sh*t on your always overrated patriots defense. get over it son
If you read my replies throughout this thread and come to the conclusion that I hate Manning then I am forced to come to the conclusion that you're an idiot. "Higher ceiling" means that their best is better than his best. Last season Vick was in the MVP hunt, he was something like second or third. Started the PB game for the NFC. 21-t0-6 TD/int ratio plus 9 TDs rushing. As for Romo, this is the first season in their career where Manning has had a higher QB rating. My statements are based on thought and actual analysis, unlike you, who appears to be incapable of talking out of any orifice other than your ass.
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Old 11-07-2011, 12:46 PM   #88
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If you read my replies throughout this thread and come to the conclusion that I hate Manning then I am forced to come to the conclusion that you're an idiot. "Higher ceiling" means that their best is better than his best. Last season Vick was in the MVP hunt, he was something like second or third. Started the PB game for the NFC. 21-t0-6 TD/int ratio plus 9 TDs rushing. As for Romo, this is the first season in their career where Manning has had a higher QB rating. My statements are based on thought and actual analysis, unlike you, who appears to be incapable of talking out of any orifice other than your ass.
their best never got them any success in the playoffs. mannings best won a superbowl. so you tell me what the higher ceiling is buddy? your statements are anti eli. its ok, if i was in boston i would dislike eli as well brady has plenty more, so i dont see why you're so bitter.
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their best never got them any success in the playoffs. mannings best won a superbowl.
Eli Manning was part of an SB Champion. There was also a great defense, a powerful running game and a quality receiver care. Manning wasn't a Pro Bowler, he was average in the regular season with a 70-something passer rating. He played well enough for them to win but that does not mean that he was the reason they won. Do we now put Dilfer over Romo and Vick because he has a ring and they don't? Are we going to now rate Manning and Dilfer over Dan Marino? Cut the crap.

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so you tell me what the higher ceiling is buddy? your statements are anti eli. its ok, if i was in boston i would dislike eli as well brady has plenty more, so i dont see why you're so bitter.
There you go again ignoring the things I actually said. Try reading and thinking before typing. I'm not in the mood to be trolled by an idiot.
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Eli Manning was part of an SB Champion. There was also a great defense, a powerful running game and a quality receiver care. Manning wasn't a Pro Bowler, he was average in the regular season with a 70-something passer rating. He played well enough for them to win but that does not mean that he was the reason they won. Do we now put Dilfer over Romo and Vick because he has a ring and they don't? Are we going to now rate Manning and Dilfer over Dan Marino? Cut the crap.


There you go again ignoring the things I actually said. Try reading and thinking before typing. I'm not in the mood to be trolled by an idiot.

Are you trying to say Eli is Dilfer and Vick/Romo are Marino??? For your sake I hope not.

BTW idk why in the world Dilfer is compared to Eli really. And alot of ppl use this false comparison to discredit Eli as a QB when everything says otherwise.

Dilfer was nowhere near the QB Eli is, nowhere near and as good as the Giants defense was in 07, it was not nearly as dominant as the 2000 Ravens D. The 2000 Ravens D was an all-time defense belonging the in the same breath as the '85 Bears and the '86 Giants. For his whole career, Dilfer was a straight up game manager.

The Ravens defense did in fact singlehandedly win that game. Dilfer completed less than half his passes for only 150 yds and a TD.

Dilfer was responsible for only 7 out of the 34 pts the Ravens scored in that game.

Eli completed more than half his passes for 250+ yds and 2 TDs which btw were 14 pts out of the 17 the Giants scored against the Pats including the thrilling game-winning drive at the end.

Dilfer never passed for even 3,000 yds in his 14 yrs while Eli has thrown for 4000+ twice already in his 8 years in the league.

Most TDs Dilfer's thrown was 21 while Eli's is 31. Dilfer's career passer rating was 70 while Eli's so far is 82.

Dilfer has averaged under 200 yds per game his whole career except 05 while Eli has averaged 250+ the past 3 years and has never averaged under 200 yds per game except his rookie year.

Dilfer has 295 big plays (20+ yds) 14 yrs while Eli has 369 in half the time.

Ppl get this false notion that the Giants defense was solely responsible for the 07 SB run when it was in fact Eli's near-flawless play in the 3 games throughout that postseason run capped off by a spectacular 2 min game-winning drive in the big game.

The defense deserved most (but not all) of the credit for the SB win but it was Eli's hot streak that got the team there in the first place.

Had Eli not been a Manning, and had not pulled the Giants-Chargers trade fiasco, I have a feeling most ppl would see this guy as a damn good QB.

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