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Old 10-31-2011, 04:09 AM   #46
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If we look at miami vs. chicago on paper...
Well, it's good that we don't play basketball on paper then, don't we?
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:10 AM   #47
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Well, it's good that we don't play basketball on paper then, don't we?

We should all quit the forums!!!!!!!!!!! Talking basketball is nonsense!!!!!






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Old 10-31-2011, 04:19 AM   #48
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Didn't say nothing about talking, just playing...

Plus, a real superstar can always make all matchups \ ratings \ stats obsolete at a given moment of greatness.

The Heat have 2 such players.
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Old 10-31-2011, 04:25 AM   #49
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Didn't say nothing about talking, just playing...

Plus, a real superstar can always make all matchups \ ratings \ stats obsolete at a given moment of greatness.

The Heat have 2 such players.

The stats posted arnt of any 1 player.

Bench is obviously the bench multiple players

And when it says say SF thats not Just LeBron its multiple players same goes for the other positions.

Its a team game those are team stats.

If I wanted to compare superstars like everyone else on this forum I would have done so.

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Old 10-31-2011, 04:49 AM   #50
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so the gap is only 1 so that means they are almost equally important. And offense taking a backseat? I dont think so, you need both so its up to you which to focus. All I know that there are teams that can win with defense and there are teams that can win with offense as long as youre top 10 at both. Defense is higher by 1 coz its easier to play than offense. But ill take the harder part. Defense is easier but the chances of injuries are higher on defensive teams than offensive teams.

Maybe for you howard is better than dirk. But the ring speak for itself. Its easier to be like howard than to be like dirk. Its just that nobody wants to play howard style or play defense. Players dont want to get injured banging against opposing players. Im sure howard would rather play like dirk.

well pfs are also tall yet they are less injury prones esp those offensive pfs who never cared about defense like dirk, amare, bosh.

You need both, correct, but only one feeds the other...good defense leads to easy buckets...good offense does not lead to good defense.

defense is NOT easier than offense

Howard IS better than Dirk pretty much everyone but you knows this.

Amare and Bosh are rather injury prone wtf are you talking about?

Steve Nash's back is always aching and he doesn't play a lick of d.
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Old 10-31-2011, 11:41 AM   #51
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No one expected them to even be higher than a 4 seed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...t10-EastChamps


1. Miami - 66 votes
2. Orlando - 16 votes
3. Boston - 10 votes
4. Chicago - 1 vote




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Miami Heat 61 21 .744 47 35 .573
Meet the Miami Globetrotters -- with the rest of the East playing the part of the Washington Generals. Our panel says the Super Friends should run circles around the rest of the conference, except perhaps for Orlando. Then again, Boston eliminated both D-Wade and King James a year ago, so that's why they play the postseason

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Orlando Magic 56 26 .683 59 23 .720
The Magic stumbled vs. the Celtics in the East finals, but this is much the same team that won five series the past two postseasons. Orlando might have some magical maneuvers left, perhaps shipping out Vince Carter and/or finding a way to get Chris Paul. Until then, given Miami's summer, Orlando reverts to dangerous sleeper status.

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Boston Celtics 51 31 .622 50 32 .610
The C's showed the regular season means nothing to them, beating the Cavs and Magic despite starting on the road, and almost doing the same to the Lakers. So it matters little that Boston is projected to win "only" 51 games, as long as it can get KG, Perk and the other Men in Green healthy for April, May and June.

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Chicago Bulls 50 32 .610 41 41 .500
The East's second tier welcomes a new member: Chicago. The Bulls swung and missed on LeBron, D-Wade and CB4, but they did get Carlos Boozer, a deeper bench and a new coach, Tom Thibodeau. That and the sharp ascent of Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah mean that Chicago's sellout crowds finally have something to see.
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You need both, correct, but only one feeds the other...good defense leads to easy buckets...good offense does not lead to good defense.

defense is NOT easier than offense

Howard IS better than Dirk pretty much everyone but you knows this.

Amare and Bosh are rather injury prone wtf are you talking about?

Steve Nash's back is always aching and he doesn't play a lick of d.

good offense leads to lesser injuries. You dont get good buckets when your offensive players(like boozer) are injured esp in the more important moments like the playoffs. And good offense too leads to better defense coz your defense would be set up properly by avoiding fast breaks. They are dependent to each other but its easier to play defense than offense. Just like its easier to be a defensive player like howard than to be a player like dirk. Theres a reason why dirk is being mentioned as one of the most unique player in the history because no one can do his style. There are lots of defensive coaches having no jobs at all but only few offensive coaches in this league. You have jeff van gundy having no job and larry brown willing to be an assistant coach in boston while i cant think of any offensive coach that has no job which means that its easier to be a defensive coach than an offensive coach.

Defensive coaches may have higher wins in their first year but on a 5-year stretch, I believe offensive coaches are better. Defensive coaches are coaches that doesnt care about their team long-term, they only care about now and their name without regard of the health of its players. Just like defensive players who are willing to sacrifice their bodies to earn those huge contracts, defensive coaches are also willing to sacrifice the health of its players just to earn those huge contracts. Thats why pjax said that the bulls overachieve coz these defensive coaches only care about NOW and not longterm. But of course fans think that its not the coaches fault when their players get injured because they think its just bad luck.LOL Thats why they think defensive coaches are better because they are better in the first year and doesnt include in their evaluation the 2nd year coz they have an injury riddled roster. Its really the same with players, cp3 is ranked higher than melo because of his defense. But melo is still more productive than him the last 4 years. But fans just care about peak rather than longetivity thats why cp3 is always better ignoring the fact that him playing defense is the cause of him not being able to produce what hes capable of right now. Just like fans only care about jeff van gundy making it to the finals while ignoring the fact that he injured and ended the careers of tmac and yao.

In contrast, offensive teams like the suns have been known to have the best doctors. Shaq, grant hill have preserved their health when playing for the suns. Is it really because of their doctors? or because of their OFFENSIVE SYSTEM?

Amare and bosh has been more healthy compared to the centers like bynum, yao, oden, noah, perkins in this league. And steve nash may have a bad back at the age of 38 but chris paul and deron already have been injury prones while they were not yet at their peaks. And the cause of cp3s injury? yeah hustling(defense) for the ball and eventually landed on the cameraman.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:38 PM   #53
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some posters are banging on Boozer , but why not think how he played with D-Will , and Rose could not play up to that par

Rose played SG point , which means he was first option , and everyone else was last option.
Boozer is better than most ISH fans realize .. .he needs consistant touchs on the blocks to make his offense work.

I think Jax is correct , but rose has some of that on his shoulders because his coach wanted him to play that way.
That means alot of the offense was no longer a team related offense .
Obviously it threw many teams off , trying to defend the Bulls.

Not this year , if they play.
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No shit....And Boozer isn't our #1 option either....the point I had a problem with is that Booz is expected to play under the rim at PF but Dirk is not.

Makes no sense. Boozer is an effective post player that shoots too many jumpshots. The bulls need an inside presence with their structure and he didnt provide it consistently.
Dirk is the sole star player, he is a 7 foot guard. His game is outside.
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Makes no sense. Boozer is an effective post player that shoots too many jumpshots. The bulls need an inside presence with their structure and he didnt provide it consistently.
Dirk is the sole star player, he is a 7 foot guard. His game is outside.
Well, if Boozer can consistently knock down the jumpshots and Rose puts enough pressure on the D with his penetration, their pick n pop game works quite well, without actually trying to post up Boozer down low. A la Bosh in Miami, really. If the Bulls can add a decent SG who can also create run a pick and roll and knock down some shots..
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Well, if Boozer can consistently knock down the jumpshots and Rose puts enough pressure on the D with his penetration, their pick n pop game works quite well, without actually trying to post up Boozer down low. A la Bosh in Miami, really. If the Bulls can add a decent SG who can also create run a pick and roll and knock down some shots..

He doesnt do anything consistently.
He is a brute sized man with no heart.
The bulls need to be able to have an interior scorer to throw the ball to in the low block consistently, paired with Rose scoring 20-25 efficiently.
If they dont they will never win the title with a team like this.
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Knicksman is the number 1 reason why pretty much everyone thinks knick's fans are idiots and obviously deservedly so.

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