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Old 10-30-2011, 08:18 PM   #1
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for a 7'2-7'3 center to be able to do that at 39....damn. might not be thread worthy, but I found this play really impressive because lot of centers can barely dribble up the court at full speed but on top of that he performs a (mini) eurostep and then dunks it, all with the coordination of a guard.

and in the next series he averaged 27 ppg against a frontline of Hakeem/Sampson. while in the regular season he was top 5 in MVP voting...
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:20 PM   #2
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:24 PM   #3
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for a 7'2-7'3 center to be able to do that at 39. might not be thread worthy, but I found this play really impressive because lot of centers can barely dribble up the court at full speed but on top of that he performs a (mini) eurostep and then dunks it, all with the coordination of a guard.

and in the next series he averaged 27 ppg against a frontline of Hakeem/Sampson. while in the regular season he was top 5 in MVP voting...

GOAT CENTER!
His longevity was just unreal!
One odd thing I found out was the fact that 31 year old Kareem was just slightly better when it came to scoring compared to 39 year old Kareem, and when I write slightly, I mean 0.4 points difference and 1% FG difference.
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Old 10-30-2011, 08:43 PM   #4
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:11 PM   #5
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:17 PM   #6
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GOAT CENTER!
His longevity was just unreal!
One odd thing I found out was the fact that 31 year old Kareem was just slightly better when it came to scoring compared to 39 year old Kareem, and when I write slightly, I mean 0.4 points difference and 1% FG difference.

Well, '79 Kareem was a lot more active as far as shot blocking and rebounding so that has something to do with how much he could score while maintaining that responsibility.

Kareem was also playing a different style in '79, not looking to score as much.

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Suddenly he's become the NBA's top passing center, averaging better than six assists a game. During the winning streak, he's averaged nearly 12 rebounds and four blocked shots per outing. He's been clearing the ball out fast, a key to the Lakers' deadly fastbreak.


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"My role has changed a lot." he said. "I don't have to shoulder the responsibility of scoring. We're a lot more difficult to defend because they can't just key on me anymore."


http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CnofAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jlEEAAAAIBAJ&pg=26 04,1743030&dq=kareem+abdul+jabbar&hl=en

He raised his scoring to 28.5 ppg on 58 FG%/64 TS% in 8 playoff games in '79.

You can also see this reflect in his numbers that Kareem was capable of scoring a lot more looking at other seasons.

He averaged 26.2 ppg on 58 FG%/61 TS% in '77 while playing just under 37 mpg, but raised that average to almost 35 ppg on 61 FG%/65 TS% in 11 playoff games.

He averaged 25.8 ppg on 55 FG%/59 TS% in 36.5 mpg in '78, and that was probably brought down a little by the game he left after a few minutes as well as the other 20 games he missed that season.

In 1980, he had what was being called the best supporting cast of his career and he averaged 24.8 ppg on 60 FG%/64 TS% during the regular season and raised that to 31.9 ppg on 58 FG%/61 TS% in 15 playoff games during the Lakers title run.

He was back up to 26.2 ppg on 57 FG%/62 TS% in the '81 season. And that was with Magic missing 45 games(for those that want to credit Magic with Kareem's offensive numbers during the 80's).

But his longevity is truly remarkable. He was still among the most unstoppable offensive players when he was pushing 40. If you watch a good amount of games, you'll see how often he was double teamed even at that point. Despite his role being reduced in '87, he was still getting doubled regularly and the Lakers went to him for big baskets quite often at 40 years old.

There was simply no defense for that sky hook, and he had a lot more to his game than that as well. Underrated vertical leap and body control(especially for a guy that size), good counter moves and an excellent passer out of double teams. I'm not sure I'd take anyone over Kareem to be the number 1 option on my team.
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:28 PM   #7
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:57 PM   #8
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The arguable GOAT.
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Old 10-30-2011, 10:15 PM   #9
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did he average as many ppg as jordan did at 39?

Karem Goatesque but not GOAT
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Old 10-30-2011, 10:19 PM   #10
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did he average as many ppg as jordan did at 39?

Karem Goatesque but not GOAT

Jordan averaged 20.0 PPG on 18.6 FGA at age 39
kareem averaged 17.5 PPG on 12.7 FGA at age 39
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kareem averaged 17.5 PPG on 12.7 FGA at age 39


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Old 10-30-2011, 10:28 PM   #12
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Jordan averaged 20.0 PPG on 18.6 FGA at age 39
kareem averaged 17.5 PPG on 12.7 FGA at age 39
That's the season both turned 40. The season they turned 39...

KAJ put up 23.4 ppg on 60 TS% (in 33 mpg) (upped it to 26 ppg in the playoffs)
MJ put up 22.9 ppg on 47 TS% (in 35 mpg)
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Old 10-30-2011, 10:53 PM   #13
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Kareem in my opinion is the greatest basketball player ever. The G.O.A.T. if you insist on using that description. Jordan had an insane resume but Kareem's resume beats Jordan's in my eyes. He dominated everywhere he went at every level from day one. I also feel that his overal impact offensively and defensivley was greater than Jordan.

3 New York City Catholic High School Championships in row
71 game winning streak. Lost only 2 games.

3 NCAA Championships in a row
3 Final Four Most Outstanding player awards in a row
Likley would have won 4 in a row if he had been eligible as a freshman. His freshman team defeated the UCLA varsity that was the previous NCAA Champ
Lost only 2 college games one of which he had a severe eye injury

1969-70 NBA Rookie of the year
6 time NBA MVP
6 Time NBA Champion and the teams he defeated were Championship teams packed full of Hall of Fame players > Jordan's competition
2 time NBA Finals MVP. Would have had more if not for Magic Johnson another top 5 player. 1980 Finals MVP perhaps should of been his over Magic.
All-Time leading scorer in NBA history
Most unstoppable shot in NBA history the "Skyhook"
Retired as number one all time in a grip of catagories like blocks, etc.
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:30 AM   #14
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Old 10-31-2011, 12:39 AM   #15
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While I agree KAJ is arguable GOAT, to compare stats to a guard in a completely different role at age 40, to even slightly, midgetly suggest that sways any argument or means anything, is .
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