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Old 11-05-2011, 07:00 AM   #121
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I see where you're coming from, man. But there is a reason why they never got the opportunity.

It could be because of their horrid work ethic or them just not showcasing their whole arsenal in training camp/practice.
Oh yeah, the same thing was happening with Petrovic in Portland, but then when he got traded to the Nets, he started to put some incredible numbers. Surprisingly?
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:26 AM   #122
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There's a difference between being a 2nd or 3rd option and being used as a spot up shooter only. Happened with Navarro, for example.

No because Navarro is one trick pony. He is not like Ricky Pierce who can put the ball on the floor and created some shots off the bench in limited minutes. I have seen La Bamba trying to do that with the Grizzlies with his floaters and he just does not have the physical tools to do it on consistent basis. Refs are generous to his flops in Europe and not letting any players breath on him. And please don't talk about one game. Scrubs had lit up Michael Jordan in one game. Case in point, LaBradford Smith.

And scoring in another level is different. Bruce Bowen was a scorer in college but he knew he was gonna be role player so he focus his game more on defense. Same with Michael Cooper and even Rodman. In fact, Most NBA players are the primary options in college. The one trick ponies who can't play defense usually get bounced quickly. Players who usually need the ball to be effective type of players.
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:37 AM   #123
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Oh yeah, the same thing was happening with Petrovic in Portland, but then when he got traded to the Nets, he started to put some incredible numbers. Surprisingly?

What incredible numbers are we talking about? Petrovic was overrated. Reggie Lewis was putting up comparable numbers on a better team and we don't talk about him like Euros talk about Petrovic. Detlef Schrempf was a better player with more all around game and Euros rarely talk about him.
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:15 AM   #124
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it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice that only athletic swingmen can succeed in NBA...not sure what is there to explain about really

Harold Miner was athletic swingmen, Gerald Green was athletic swingmen, James White was athletic swingmen and there were so many others. What happened to them?
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:25 AM   #125
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Old 11-05-2011, 09:29 AM   #126
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Old 11-05-2011, 10:05 AM   #127
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Also, all of these players are used to lead their teams. Some players lose their focus if they're no the stars.
I don't think it's ok to just generalize.
So many excuses. Basically every single NBA player, even horrible ones like Raphael Araujo, were the offensive leaders of their team in college and high school.

BYU offense for example was built around Araujo and look at him in the NBA, worse than Kwame brown.

Basically it is the Euro's huge egos and inability to accept that they aren't the superstar and best player on their team that is holding them back then in your mind? That is why T-Mac of Europe Spanoulis wasn't even able to beat out Rafer Alston and Luther Head for minutes?
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Old 11-05-2011, 10:56 AM   #128
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this is just like the comparision between european and south-american football (soccer). I'm talking club competition here. Of course the level is higher in europe, but the top argentinian or brazilian teams can compete with the top european teams, they would be good teams in the CL.

maybe its not a good example because in football right now we have two insanely stacked teams that just break the competitions they paticipate in (Real Madrid and FC Barcelona), but I think you get the point. top tier european teams are in the same level of average nba teams. sure any average nba player can come to europe and do well and be one of the best, but no, he wont go michael jordan if he is not a nba superstar already
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Old 11-05-2011, 03:14 PM   #129
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he's not that good anyway.
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Old 11-05-2011, 03:54 PM   #130
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this is just like the comparision between european and south-american football (soccer). I'm talking club competition here. Of course the level is higher in europe, but the top argentinian or brazilian teams can compete with the top european teams, they would be good teams in the CL.

maybe its not a good example because in football right now we have two insanely stacked teams that just break the competitions they paticipate in (Real Madrid and FC Barcelona), but I think you get the point. top tier european teams are in the same level of average nba teams. sure any average nba player can come to europe and do well and be one of the best, but no, he wont go michael jordan if he is not a nba superstar already

Yes, Boca Juniors, Santos, Flamenco, Deportivo El Nacional, Monterrey and a few other clubs would be competitive in the CL and many top European leagues every year but still Europeans dismiss South American football as an "inferior product"
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Old 11-05-2011, 04:21 PM   #131
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What incredible numbers are we talking about? Petrovic was overrated. Reggie Lewis was putting up comparable numbers on a better team and we don't talk about him like Euros talk about Petrovic. Detlef Schrempf was a better player with more all around game and Euros rarely talk about him.

Lol@Detlef Scrub being better than Petro..it's not a good idea to compare some good big man shooter to a European and World basketball legend

Lewis is arguable, but Petro is better than him as well.
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Old 11-05-2011, 05:01 PM   #132
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the point is that Parker didn't even produce better in Euroleague than he did in his Raptors days either...in fact he was putting up similar numbers in both sides of the Atlantic. That's why all of this trolling about him is amusing and pathetic at the same time

You are an idiot.

The fact is that Parker in his best day in the NBA ranked between the 80th-100th best player in the league in that particular season. From a historical perspective he doesn't even rank. He's not among the best 1000 players to play in the NBA.

In stark contrast to his European club basketball days, where during his best days he was the best player in the whole continent (which includes exponentially more teams and thus players than the NBA) and is also historically considered one of the best players of all time.

That is the key difference. It's a massive difference. The difference almost couldn't be bigger. There is absolutely nothing 'nitpicky' about Parker's difference in status in European basketball and NBA basketball.

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Old 11-06-2011, 11:20 AM   #133
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I'd say the turnovers are more a product of him having to do EVERYTHING for his team to win. Every ball goes through him, and that usually means high numbers for every stat, turnovers included.
I've only seen him play once with Nancy, against my home team, and you could see he was dominating, even though his shooting percentages were bad and had a lot of turnovers. Stats aren't everything.

Not true. Like I said, they tried that experiment of Batum as "play maker" in the POS French League (what is it like 10th best league in Europe) and it works fine.

But in Euroleague (best league in Europe) the experiment failed. Batum cannot handle such a role at the Euroleague level, throwing up tons of bricks and turnovers.

So Linehan is now running the offense. This is another myth created by NBA only fans that "Batum is running the offense", because he isn't. Linehan is.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:23 AM   #134
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Please compare Maccabi's team scoring average and pace to the Raptors', then come back if you think you have a good argument.

Better yet, let's look at the top scorers in the Eurolegue in the last 5 years.

2005-2006 Drew Nicholas -- 18.45
2006–07 Juan Carlos Navarro --16.77
2007–08 Marc Salyers -- 21.78
2008–09 Igor Rakočević --17.95
2009–10 Linas Kleiza --17.13
2010–11 Keith Langford ---18.7

Parker averaged about 16ppg on 57% shooting in his stay with Maccabi.

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Old 11-06-2011, 11:24 AM   #135
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Please compare Maccabi's team scoring average and pace to the Raptors', then come back if you think you have a good argument.

Better yet, let's look at the top scorers in the Eurolegue in the last 5 years.

2005-2006 Drew Nicholas -- 18.45
200607 Juan Carlos Navarro --16.77
200708 Marc Salyers -- 21.78
200809 Igor Rakočević --17.95
200910 Linas Kleiza --17.13
201011 Keith Langford ---18.7

Parker averaged about 16ppg on 57% shooting in his stay with Maccabi.

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