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Old 02-05-2012, 02:12 PM   #586
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I'll first point out I've enjoyed Skyrim. I'm not at all saying it's a bad game, but I am saying it's overrated and I feel as though people are giving Bethesda a sign that says "this is flawless keep it this way forever". This should not be the case.

There's something about this game that is simply off. I've talked about it with a friend before who really enjoys the game and he agrees.

Now Skyrim is a good game that has it's obvious flaws. Ones that I often point out is the foolishness of dungeons and repetitiveness(run in, kill dragur, grab something or kill a major boss, word wall, secret exit). Another is the lack of character growth. I'm the leader of a guild, helped lead a rebellion, and I'm just as respected as if all I had done with my character is run around naked collecting wolf pelts. Oh, and I'm the dragonborn. There's others as well but those are two key points.

Something I was just thinking about was how your character seems "forced". This game is supposed to be an open world game where I choose my own adventure and be what I want to be. Yet, I feel forced on the "chaotic" spectrum of character alignment. Stormcloaks and Imperials both have problems. While at first you just think "Stormcloaks rebels against a government they don't like" you soon find out that both sides are pretty ****ed up.

If I wanted to make a stereotypical warrior type character who fights with a sword and shield with his armor and is no doubt totally good, I'd have issues. There's no real guild I can align myself with as they are all evil or don't fit the role of a warrior, and both the Imperials and Stormcloaks are(as I mentioned before) flawed.

In the main storyline if you aren't paying sufficient attention at one point you almost get forced into the Thieves Guild. I found myself doing the recruit quest where you go and talk to the people thinking it was part of the main storyline. Now this is semi my fault for not paying full attention, but I didn't want my warrior character have anything to do with these evil thievey people(who suck in this game and were cooler in Oblivion).

I feel as I could go on more but I'll stop as I don't want to seem like too much of a complainer. This game is months old now and I feel more comfortable doling out criticisms.

Anybody have any ideas/opinions in regards to above?
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Old 02-05-2012, 04:21 PM   #587
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I've been on the fence with trying out Skyrim since it came out a few months ago....

I'm a huge fan of Fallout 3 and New Vegas, have been looking for a new game to really dive into since I finished Arkham City. The character-building and open-world/roaming/exploring aspects of Skyrim really appeal to me, but I was hesitant because of the fantasy (??) setting and style.... dragons and spells and such.

I finally RedBox'd it and gave it a try, and I gotta say it just didn't click with me. I totally disliked the melee combat, and my fears about the fantasy aspect of the story, setting, and mechanics were definitely founded.

Maybe I need to play longer, but as it stands I'm still on the hunt for a new game
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Old 02-05-2012, 09:23 PM   #588
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God ****ing Damn it. I'm lvl 43 right now and I just hit 100 in smithing. Because I'm specializing in light armor, I went with the elven and glass smithing route. I figured I would go that route to daedric smithing since it appears to loop around. But it does not, now the only way to get a daedric bow and dagger is to put 4 more skill points in going the other way. Kinda bummed out.

edit: Thank god for console commands. Still that was very misleading.

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Old 02-05-2012, 10:17 PM   #589
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The only thing I hate about Daedric Smithing is that you have to find Daedra Hearts, and there aren't that many around
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:54 PM   #590
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There's something about this game that is simply off. I've talked about it with a friend before who really enjoys the game and he agrees.

No, I definitely agree with you. As cool as Skyrim is, there are things that are too....uncanny. While you, the player, moves around freely, the rest of Skyrim is unchanging. They have no life to them. Do one or two quests for one character and they become irrelevant forever. As flawed as Oblivion was, they actually did a better job at creating characters you cared about. I mean, it wasn't great either but at least the characters had better motives. Everyone in Skyrim seems to be for themselves and you don't get the sense of connection between cities, characters, and groups as you did in Oblivion. It's as if people don't acknowledge that others exist.

This is also why I liked Fallout 3's world over New Vegas's because despite the game having RPG flaws, it was still very bleak and there was so much emptiness to explore. Plus, you could see the ruins of the cities, small towns, and monuments off in the distance which made it even more captivating. For me, that's also why old JRPG's were so much fun. The world maps, cities (floating cities, Midgar, ancient cities, etc), and music meshed together so well that when you explored, you became immersed in the world.

Skyrim does well in the visuals aspect but lacks the interconnectivity that would otherwise make the world much more atmospheric and less uncanny.
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Old 02-05-2012, 11:59 PM   #591
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^^^^

It's a very emotionally empty game in terms of the characters and story. With the way it's written, you are basically a faceless hero and you never feel anything for the world around you. The NPCs are only there to serve as quest givers, shopkeepers and other "necessary" things. This to me was the big difference between Skyrim and games like Dragon Age Origins and The Witcher 2. Both are games that I enjoyed more than Skyrim.

The open world and freedom are great features but at some point I have to care about the quest I'm doing and the world I'm trying to save. The only time I had a bit of that feeling was during the Mage's Tower quests (the best part of the game, IMO). I can look past that in something like an action FPS but these are elements I'd like to have in a long RPG.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:47 AM   #592
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It's a very emotionally empty game in terms of the characters and story. With the way it's written, you are basically a faceless hero and you never feel anything for the world around you. The NPCs are only there to serve as quest givers, shopkeepers and other "necessary" things. This to me was the big difference between Skyrim and games like Dragon Age Origins and The Witcher 2. Both are games that I enjoyed more than Skyrim.

The open world and freedom are great features but at some point I have to care about the quest I'm doing and the world I'm trying to save. The only time I had a bit of that feeling was during the Mage's Tower quests (the best part of the game, IMO). I can look past that in something like an action FPS but these are elements I'd like to have in a long RPG.

Right, essentially, this turns the player into a sociopath while ingame. More people are likely to set guards on fire and/or kill children/old people as they become more powerful. And this becomes even more apparent once they achieve a higher level and acquire better items or spells. There's nothing else to do and the player vents that frustration through the destruction of his/her world.

Now, speaking about games in a general sense, if you think about how the player is able to interact within a virtual world as equivalent to how a person interacts with the world and/or expresses themselves in reality, then you see the need for expression as being a fundamental part to how human beings function, whether in video games or in reality. Hence, why I believe more people in our society need more ways to vent/express themselves as a way of developing a stable mentality. I can guarantee you the lack of expression or interconnectivity is why many of us post on message boards, too.

Anyway, aside from the developmental psychology rant, one does not need an existence with no end. I think a sense of predetermination is necessary to creating a functional world. Only in this way is the individual allowed a sense of purpose.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:54 PM   #593
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I'm back to Skyrim! I finally bought it after renting it for 2-3 months and taking a couple months off. Any noobs need help and I'll be around just PM me.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:04 PM   #594
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SHOULD I buy this game?
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:21 PM   #595
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SHOULD I buy this game?

Go for it.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:33 PM   #596
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if you've got time to get into it go for it

if you're a busy person then say goodbye to your life lol
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Old 02-10-2012, 09:34 PM   #597
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SHOULD I buy this game?

RedBox it for one night. My guess is that after the first hour or two you'll know whether or not its for you.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:13 AM   #598
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Returned to game 4 days ago and I'm up to level 30. I'm having more fun than I've ever had due to character I made. Khajiit Assassin. I'm a 100 stealth rogue basically who is rich (from theft and Dark Brotherhood quests) and can kill anything in one shot with my backstabs besides higher end dragons (if I add poison they die from first shot in about 10 seconds).

I love the finishing moves you get to do as an assassin. I walk up behind everything and slash throats. Coolest thing is my stealth due to gear and stats is so strong I can stand 1 foot in front of somebody and they still won't see me.
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:16 PM   #599
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If you want get more addicted to something than ever before.... go for it!
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:34 PM   #600
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Level 53

Been using the light dragon armor for a while now and maxed out its level.Gonna swtich to daradic(cant spell it) since i have heavy armor at 64.Only thing that sucks is that i used alot of perks on light armor.
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