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Old 01-07-2018, 11:00 PM   #1
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For LeBron;

Game 5 vs. Detroit 2007. Scored the last 25 points for Cleveland. 29 of the last 30.



2009 Playoffs In general

2012 Game 6 ECF Down 3-2 Facing Elimination 45 Pts



2013 NBA Finals Game 6 & 7 Facing Elimination

Championship winning Jump shot to put them up 4 pts





2015 Playoffs + Finals Epicness w/o Kyrie and Love... Sweep of 60 win Hawks, Took 67 win Warriors to 6 games seriously undermanned... Actually won the FMVP originally but NBA pressured voters to change their picks



2016 Finals AKA The Greatest Finals Performance Of All Time. Came back from 3-1 down, beat 73 GOAT team, put up 30/11/9/2.3/2.6 on 49%. 1st person to lead all players in every statistical category. He only got better as the games got more important;

Averaged 36/12/10/3/3 on 51%/42%/73% in the 3 Elimination games coming from 3-1 down.

The Block to save 2 pts



The Slash Near Dunk leading to The Free throw to make it a 2 possession game - Game winner

Broke the Drought, Brought Cleveland a championship like he promised a decade earlier. LEGACY MEGA ENHANCED - Best Finals Performance EVER against the TOUGHEST opponent EVER


PLUS it was the best defensive finals performance of all time;

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Opponents' shooting against LeBron in Games 5, 6, and 7 in the Finals

Overall: 2.7/12.7, 21.1%, opponents usually shoot 47.9%, -26.8

Threes: .7/5, 13.3%, opponents usually shoot 40.4%; -27%

Twos: 2/7.7, 26.1%, opponents usually shoot 53.3%, -27.2%

Less than 6 ft: 1/5, 20%, opponents usually shoot 62.4%, -42.4%

Less than 10 ft: 1.3/6, 22.2%, opponents usually shoot 57.3%; -35.1%

Greater than 15 ft: 1/6.3, 15.8%; opponents usually shoot 40.5%; -24.7%

Look at those numbers. So, not only did James average 36/12/10/3/3 on 51%/42%/73% splits over the final three games, but he also completely shut down scoring from whomever he was guarding.

We do not have the luxury of being able to see these type of stats from the past, but it seems highly unlikely anyone has ever played 3 games like this in the Finals let alone against the best team with two on the road. It was a Herculean effort by a once in a lifetime type of player.


2017 NBA Playoffs Finals - Put up his best ever playoff run at the age of 32. Averaged 33/9/8 on 57% FG 41% 3PT. Take out that one Boston game and it's more like 36 pts average.

Legendary finals performance against insurmountable odds 73 win team + Kevin Durant in his prime. Put up 33.6 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 10.0 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.0 bpg, 4.4 TO's, on 56.4% FG, 38.7% 3P.

And at 33 he's still getting better
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Old 01-07-2018, 11:45 PM   #2
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KD dropped 35 ppg & FMVP on Lebron in 2017
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Old 01-07-2018, 11:48 PM   #3
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Wait so Lebron averaged a 30 point triple double in the finals TWICE?
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:07 AM   #4
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Wait so Lebron averaged a 30 point triple double in the finals TWICE?
yup
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:54 AM   #5
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KD dropped 35 ppg & FMVP on Lebron in 2017
Must've been hard to do that on a GOAT team.
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Old 01-08-2018, 05:42 AM   #6
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Kobe's Game 7 vs. Portland in 2000, put the team on his back at age 21 to come back from a double-digit deficit in the 4th with peak Shaq struggling, hit the go-ahead shot plus the shot to ice the series and we remember this classic lob.

Kobe's Game 4 vs. Pacers in the 2000 Finals, takes the 3 - 1 lead in OT on the road with Shaq out

Kobe's WCF vs. Spurs in 2001, absolutely dismantled everyone and had everyone from Shaq to the media saying that he's the best player in the world. Postered Duncan & Robinson at least like 5 times in the 4 games alone, you can find a top 10 video of Kobe just yamming dunks on Timmy D.

Kobe vs. Orlando in the 2009 Finals
Kobe finally proves that he can indeed win without Shaq, not only did he win but he averaged 32/6/7 for the Finals, not only did he score but he showed his all-around game, putting up 8 assists in all but one game for the series while also carrying all of the scoring load.

Kobe vs. Suns in the 2010 WCF, completely dismantled that team, his averages of 34/7/8 speak for themselves but that Game 6 on the road to close the series had to have been the coldest moment in his Playoff career, 24 points in the 2nd half and it was all on contested jump shots as well, just one impossible fadeaway after another.


There are plenty more but these are the best ones.

I don't think that a series loss should count as a legacy-defining moment, unless you're trying to tell me that the player is a loser/choker who had the ability to put up monster numbers but not win when it matters.
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Old 01-08-2018, 06:15 AM   #7
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KD dropped 35 ppg & FMVP on Lebron in 2017

Lebron in the 2017 finals averaged 33.6ppg on 61.5%eFG.

Durant in the 2017 finals averaged 35.2ppg on 63.9%eFG.

Don't you think that if Lebron and Durant swapped teams, so Lebron was surrounded by the the greatest team ever assembled, while Durant had Kyrie and scrubs, that its possible Durant may have scored a couple of points less on slightly worse efficiency, while Lebron may have scored a couple of points more on slightly better efficiency? I do.

KD is a bitch who has it easier than any star player ever has.
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Old 01-08-2018, 06:25 AM   #8
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Lebron in the 2017 finals averaged 33.6ppg on 61.5%eFG.

Durant in the 2017 finals averaged 35.2ppg on 63.9%eFG.

Don't you think that if Lebron and Durant swapped teams, so Lebron was surrounded by the the greatest team ever assembled, while Durant had Kyrie and scrubs, that its possible Durant may have scored a couple of points less on slightly worse efficiency, while Lebron may have scored a couple of points more on slightly better efficiency? I do.

KD is a bitch who has it easier than any star player ever has.
Don't forget the rebounds and assists brother!

Triple double!

The same people who criticize LeBron about his matchup with KD in the 2017 finals are the same ones who do the complete opposite for KD in 2012.

The real difference is, both of KD's teams were heavily favored in 2012 and 2017.
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Lebron in the 2017 finals averaged 33.6ppg on 61.5%eFG.

Durant in the 2017 finals averaged 35.2ppg on 63.9%eFG.

Don't you think that if Lebron and Durant swapped teams, so Lebron was surrounded by the the greatest team ever assembled, while Durant had Kyrie and scrubs, that its possible Durant may have scored a couple of points less on slightly worse efficiency, while Lebron may have scored a couple of points more on slightly better efficiency? I do.

KD is a bitch who has it easier than any star player ever has.

I'd be very curious to know what percentage of LeBrons points in the 2017 Finals were actually legitimate...and not "for the books", compared to Durant.
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Lebron, the only player who's legacy moments are finals losses
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Old 01-08-2018, 06:50 AM   #11
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Don't forget the rebounds and assists brother!

Triple double!

The same people who criticize LeBron about his matchup with KD in the 2017 finals are the same ones who do the complete opposite for KD in 2012.

The real difference is, both of KD's teams were heavily favored in 2012 and 2017.

If Lebron shared the court with Steph and Klay he might average 15 assists a game. Steph and Klay would probably average 40ppg and 30ppg respectively.
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I'd be very curious to know what percentage of LeBrons points in the 2017 Finals were actually legitimate...and not "for the books", compared to Durant.
A significantly higher percentage than what Kobe usually pads in the PO's and Finals.
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Old 01-08-2018, 07:01 AM   #13
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If Lebron shared the court with Steph and Klay he might average 15 assists a game. Steph and Klay would probably average 40ppg and 30ppg respectively.
So true.

And KD + Kyrie would not work as well as LBJ + Kyrie.
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KD just averaged the easiest 35PPG of his life against one of the BEST EASTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFF TEAMS IN NBA HISTORY.

4-1. Easy work.
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KD just averaged the easiest 35PPG of his life against one of the BEST EASTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFF TEAMS IN NBA HISTORY.

4-1. Easy work.
And like 70% of his points were assisted. Luxury of playing on a 73 win team. whilst Lebron had to score most of his points by himself and still averaged a 30 point triple double off godlike efficiencyt
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