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Old 11-30-2011, 09:44 AM   #31
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Yep, I think you'd only take the Nets deal if you're looking to start from scratch again.

Deron and Dwight is a tasty combo, although like the Knicks, you're awfully thin once you get past that.

I think Deron and Dwight would play off of each other better than Amare and Melo do. Dwight's never played with a point guard anywhere near as good as D-Will and Howard is a huge upgrade over any big that Deron's played with. They've got guys like Morrow and Brooks to spread the floor and a decent backup point guard in Farmar. Brooks could turn into a Jamal Crawford type of bench player. They'll need a solid wing player like Stephen Jackson/healthy Michael Redd to be successful. No team with Travis Outlaw or Damion James as their primary wing threat is going to do damage in the playoffs.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:13 AM   #32
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the best offer is lopez and 2 late first rounder?

nets have to make that better, try and acquire another player of decent value and add him to the trade cus there isnt much on that roster id want if im orlando.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:16 AM   #33
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There are two problems with this as a (albeit first) offer
1) What i call the "Deng for Melo" problem. Bulls fans kept insisting they could trade Deng for Melo. The problem with Deng for Melo is it replaces a player with a much weaker player at the same position making almost the same money, making the team similar but worse. And Lopez doesn't rebound or defend even 1/10% of Howard, so that is pretty bad. (And i know his salary is lower but they'll need to extend him, and Lopez will want max to stay. WHy wouldn't he? How could Orlando let him go after trading Howard for him?)

I very much like this analysis...it presents a big problem, though, for the Magic. There is no big (even Bynum, even Griffin) who won't present the same "Deng for Melo" problem. So now you are trading a big for a small, unless that small is CP3, Wade or LBJ, the team is getting worse...much worse.
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:52 AM   #34
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the best situation for the magic is to dump the larger contracts along with howard and start again
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:56 AM   #35
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Magic can get a better offer
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Old 11-30-2011, 10:59 AM   #36
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Magic can get a better offer

But will Dwight sign an extension.
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Old 11-30-2011, 11:01 AM   #37
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Default Re: Nets to offer Brook Lopez and two 1st rounders for Dwight Howard

The Clippers do have probably the best offer if they go Gordon, Kaman, Aminu and the Minny 1st rounder for Dwight and Hedo.

It's giving up a lot, but to get a player like Dwight you would have to do it, right?
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:14 PM   #38
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I've heard that Dwight wants to go to a big market with warm weather though.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:19 PM   #39
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I've heard that Dwight wants to go to a big market with warm weather though.

I'm sure Dwight would love the Philippines, averaging 100/100 every game.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:23 PM   #40
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I'm sure Dwight would love the Philippines, averaging 100/100 every game.

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Old 11-30-2011, 01:28 PM   #41
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The markets in the Philippines are ginormous. You can get lost if you're not careful.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:40 PM   #42
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Default Re: Nets to offer Brook Lopez and two 1st rounders for Dwight Howard

Rick Bucher just said on ESPN Dwight only wants Dallas or Lakers. Take that as you may.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:42 PM   #43
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Rich Doucher doesnt have a clue.


Anyway, NJN should take this deal. Orlando should sit and hope NJ bites.
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Old 11-30-2011, 01:59 PM   #44
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Magic will have options. I think they could easily get Bynum instead.

But Nets offer gets rid of Turkoglu. So with Howard and Turk gone, and Arenas anmestied, that opens up lots of possibilities for future........Let's also remember Lopez's good buddy Ryan Anderson is on Magic.
Lakers offer also takes Turk off their hands. And your last sentence, i hope you are joking.

I think the problem with the Nets offer is the fact Lopez needs to be re-upped at such a large salary going forward that it really hurts, it makes Lopez the centerpiece of a new Magic team. I wouldn't want that. He's a center who plays average to below average defense and rebounds below average. And he'd cost almost the same amount.

If i'm the Magic i only get a center if it's Bynum because he has potential to be a centerpiece type center. Otherwise i want a team built around more wings, completely different.
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Old 11-30-2011, 02:03 PM   #45
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Rick Bucher just said on ESPN Dwight only wants Dallas or Lakers. Take that as you may.
Bucher said Melo was 100% going to accept the Nets and therefore NY had NO chance of getting him. Said it like 100 times. Then the Knicks were ten minutes from getting him and he reported that he thought the Knicks had a chance!

He's a clown.
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