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Old 11-29-2011, 10:15 PM   #1
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Default Moses Malone or Kevin Garnett - As your Franchise Player

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Default Re: Moses Malone or Kevin Garnett - As your Franchise Player

It's hard to answer this question using numbers and a few highlights alone. The ones better qualified to answer such a question are those people who actually saw malone played. But based on his reputation and accomplishments id take moses.
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The better player and by clear margins, Moses Malone.
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Default Re: Moses Malone or Kevin Garnett - As your Franchise Player

Easily Moses.
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Call me back when Kevin Durant parts the Red Sea.
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Default Re: Moses Malone or Kevin Garnett - As your Franchise Player

Moses Malone's defense was overrated, but he accomplished so much more. It's hard not to take Malone.

It's also hard to know what KG would have done if he wasn't surrounded by scrubs during his prime. I mean...before Malone joined the second best small forward of all time, his teams were completely mediocre:

1977-78 Rockets - 28-54
1978-79 Rockets - 47-35
1979-80 Rockets - 41-41
1980-81 Rockets - 40-42
1981-82 Rockets - 46-36

Still, anybody who doesn't choose Moses Malone is probably a hater, homer, troll, or moron.
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Prime KG would put up 32/14/7 if he played in the 80's
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Moses Malone's defense was overrated, but he accomplished so much more. It's hard not to take Malone.

It's also hard to know what KG would have done if he wasn't surrounded by scrubs during his prime. I mean...before Malone joined the second best small forward of all time, his teams were completely mediocre:

1977-78 Rockets - 28-54
1978-79 Rockets - 47-35
1979-80 Rockets - 41-41
1980-81 Rockets - 40-42
1981-82 Rockets - 46-36

Still, anybody who doesn't choose Moses Malone is probably a hater, homer, troll, or moron.

He also took that 1980-81 team to the Finals, upseting the defending champion Lakers (54-28), the Spurs (52-30), then the K.C. Kings, while medicore as well (40-42), beat the Blazers (47-35) and Suns (57-25).

The Rockets also came 2 wins away from winning the NBA title against the Celtics (62-20).

By that, it was much more than what Garnett did in his run with the T-Wolves.
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Default Re: Moses Malone or Kevin Garnett - As your Franchise Player

umgh - my post got whipped out ...

any ways GArnett was considered the 'big ticket' and that was for a viable reason , he was a machine thru out his Minny career and including his ring year.
People on this baord either are to young or forgot he was a 'new age' PF that took outside jumpers , crashed the boards, great passer , defensive wall in the lane , and literally all of the offense went thru him.

But I am old school , and saw Moses Malone play , and he was an exceptional center , defender , low post player and rough house boards man only second to Dennis Rodman.

I have to go with MM because he was a very reliable 5.
After all he has alittle more bling : 13 all-star appearances and 4 MVP trophys
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By that, it was much more than what Garnett did in his run with the T-Wolves.

I'm with you for sure. It was because of Malone those teams overachieved. He's one of the best ever.

That said, I still think it's comparable to what KG did. Those Rocket teams had way more role players than those Timberwolves teams. Those rosters with KG were laughable.

But KG didn't have close enough impact for as long as Malone did. Malone was a warrior.
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Default Re: Moses Malone or Kevin Garnett - As your Franchise Player

Moses 3x MVP.....not many people can say that. Moses gets lost in the talk of the greatest centers ever but he is right behind kareem wilt and russell in my opinion. Number 4 all time.
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moses malone ofcourse!
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:22 AM   #15
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Default Re: Moses Malone or Kevin Garnett - As your Franchise Player

Well, Moses had a clear advantage as a scorer and he was also a better rebounder(though KG led the league in that category 4 times), but KG was a much better defensive player and a vastly superior passer. KG's biggest criticism has been being too passive while Moses was the opposite. Moses was also very aggressive offensively, particularly in the paint, which I like. But he was also as big of a black hole offensively as you'll see.

I'll give Moses credit for his 1981 playoff run, but KG's 2004 playoff can't be forgotten. The one year he had a chance to do with anything in the playoffs in Minnesota, and then his second best player gets injured and he carries them about as far as they could go.

Obviously Moses won in '83 and KG won in '08, both as the best players. Moses had a more dominant playoff run, but KG's impact on his team was just as good, particularly since aside from Paul Pierce, all of the other key players were either new that year(Allen, Posey) or players who hadn't proven much(Rondo, Perkins).

He had a ton of talent around him in '08, but nobody expected them to be such a dominant defensive team.

Moses on the otherhand did join a team that had just been a 58 win finals team he year before and aside from him at center, the key players were basically the same. So essentially, he was replacing a couple of pretty average centers in his prime on a finals team.

And we can't forget how loaded that team was before anyone mentions talent with KG's 2008 ring. Moses had 3 all-star teammates in 1983, Julius Erving(also top 5 in MVP voting and all-nba first team), Mo Cheeks(also all-defensive first team) and Andrew Toney. And he really had 4 all-star teammates because Bobby Jones had been an all-star the previous 2 seasons and in '83 was sixth man of the year and all-defensive first team. But Moses did establish himself as the man on the Sixers during the '83 run as their dominant force by far throughout the playoffs and while leading Philly to an 8-2 record without Dr. J during the regular season.

Outside of '81/'83 for Moses and '04/'08 for KG, neither had notable playoff careers. KG played really well vs the Lakers in the '03 playoffs, but didn't have the help while Moses by all accounts played really well vs the Spurs in '80 on a sore ankle and seemed to play pretty well vs Boston that same year despite being swept in a series of blowouts.

Other than that, Moses didn't play all that well when swept by Atlanta in the 2 game mini-series in '79. Didn't play well in the '82 first round mini series vs Seattle in '82 losing 2-1 and getting outplayed by Jack Sikma in game 3. He also lost in the first round vs the '84 Nets when his Sixers were the defending champions and he didn't play all that well. Lost with another loaded Sixer team in '85 while not having an impressive run coming off a season that he had finished 3rd in MVP voting.

I'll also add that while Moses was praised for his work ethic(and I can see why), not a lot of people know that during '84, Philly's owner called out Malone for being overweight and not giving as much effort. Perhaps that had something to do with the subpar season, though he was also bothered by an ankle injury, then again, injuries and being in shape can go hand in hand.

Part of it depends on how your team is built and what you prefer. I'd often go with the interior force, but because Moses wasn't as much of a defensive presence as most dominant centers(his Rocket teams were consistently among the worst defensive teams in the league) and because I want my dominant post player to be a much better and more willing passer.....I'm leaning towards KG.

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upseting the defending champion Lakers (54-28

Yeah, but while Moses had an impressive series, it's important to keep in mind how much more likely upsets were with those best of 3 mini-series. Coaches hated them for that reason. Magic also had the worst series of his career, and actually hurt the Lakers with his play that series. And while the Lakers did go 28-17 without Magic during the regular season, his injury may have cost them a repeat because chances are if he's healthy, the Lakers get a good enough record to avoid that series and as it is, the series was extremely close with Magic airballing the series winning shot on a play designed for Kareem. Considering Kareem was still the best player in the league, imo, the chances of Magic playing that poorly in another series are slim and they had the same core that won them the '80 title, I think the Lakers would've won the '81 title if not for that.

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