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Old 12-03-2011, 03:45 PM   #1
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Default Hall of Famer? Part 10: Grant Hill and Alonzo Mourning

Part 1: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240203
Part 2: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240260
Part 3: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240348
Part 4: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240463
Part 5: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240567
Part 6: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240664
Part 7: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240810
Part 8:http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240925
Part 9:http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=241052

The final part of my 10 part series on potential hall of famers. I forgot about Mourning, so I am going to include him with Grant Hill, even though they weren't really connected besides playing at the sam time in the NBA for years.



"[Hill is] a member of college basketball's elite....A kid like Grant needs to be helped to get to his rightful position, to realize that he's really that good.... He'll always be very sensitive toward everyone else in line, even when he's at the head of it."-Mike Krzyzewski

"Alonzo is a whirling dervish, a cyclone of a player. He embodies everything we want this team to be--passionate, committed, aggressive, tireless."-Pat Riley

*Bolded Stats indicates league leader

Grant Hill Regular Season Stats (Note: I only listed Hill's 3PT% for the years he averaged at least one attempt per game)
*Red Indicates Pistons, Blue Indicates Magic, Purple indicates Suns
1994-95: 20/6/5/2/1 on 48% FG and 73% FT. 19.0 PER
1995-96: 20/10/7/1/1 on 46% FG and 75% FT. 20.9 PER
1996-97: 21/9/7/2/1 on 50% FG and 71% FT. 25.5 PER
1997-98: 21/8/7/2/1 on 45% FG and 74% FT. 21.2 PER
1998-99: 21/7/6/2/1 on 48% FG and 75% FT. 23.9 PER
1999-00: 26/7/5/1/1 on 49/35/80. 24.5 PER

2000-01: (4 games) 14/6/6/1/1 on 44% FG and 62% FT. 18.1 PER
2001-02: (14 games) 17/9/5/1/0 on 43% FG and 86% FT. 16.7 PER
2002-03: (29 games, 29 MPG) 15/7/4/1/0 on 49% FG and 82% FT. 20.8 PER
2004-05: 20/5/3/1/0 on 51% FG and 82% FT. 20.0 PER
2005-06: (21 games, 29 MPG) 15/4/2/1/0 on 49% FG and 77% FT. 19.0 PER
2006-07: (31 MPG) 14/4/2/1/0 on 52% FG and 77% FT. 16.3 PER

2007-08: (32 MPG) 13/5/3/1/1 on 50/32/87. 15.7 PER
2008-09: (30 MPG) 12/5/2/1/1 on 52/32/81. 15.2 PER
2009-10: (30 MPG) 11/6/2/1/0 on 48/44/82. 14.0 PER
2010-11: (30 MPG) 13/4/3/1/0 on 48/40/83. 14.7 PER

Career Regular Season Stats: 18/6/4/1/1 on 49/32/77. 19.5 PER

Grant Hill Playoff Stats
1995-96: 3 games, 19/7/4/1/0 on 56/50/86. 21.9 PER
1996-97: 5 games, 24/7/5/1/1 on 44% FG and 72% FT. 21.4 PER
1998-99: 5 games, 19/7/7/2/0 on 46% FG and 81% FT. 29.3 PER
1999-00: 2 games (28 MPG), 11/6/5/1/0 on 38/50/90. 9.5 PER

2006-07: 4 games, 15/6/4/1/0 on 50% FG and 67% FT. 16.8 PER
2007-08: 3 games (23 MPG), 4/5/1/1/0 on 46% FG and 100% FT. 11.3 PER
2009-10: 16 games (28 MPG), 10/6/2/1/1 on 48/19/87. 14.2 PER

Career Playoff Stats: (32 MPG) 14/6/4/1/1 on 47/24/78. 18.2 PER

Grant Hill Awards and Accomplishments
7x NBA All-Star (1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2005)
1994-95 NBA Rookie of the Year (shared with Jason Kidd)
November 1994 Rookie of the Month
January 1997 Player of the Month
1994-95 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
1x All-NBA (1st)
4x All-NBA (2nd)
Finished 3rd in MVP voting in 1996-97. Finished in top 10 4 other times.
Ranked 10th in NBA in points per game in 1998-99. Ranked 3rd in 1999-00.
Finished in the top 10 in NBA in PER 4 times.
Led Playoffs in PER in 1998-99.
Henry Iba Corinthian Award (Best Defensive Player in NCAA) in 1992-93
ACC Player of the Year in 1993-94
Two National Titles at Duke (1991, 1992)
1992-93 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1993-94 NCAA AP All-America (1st)
Gold Medal at 1996 Olympics

Grant Hill Highlights
Crossover on MJ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG2YSQx5f8s
46 points: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IXk1SXz8RU


Alonzo Mourning Regular Season Stats
*Cyan indicates Hornets, Red indicates Heat, Grey indicates Nets, Black indicates Nets/Heat
1992-93: 21/10/1/0/4 on 51% FG and 78% FT. 20.8 PER
1993-94: 22/10/1/1/3 on 51% FG and 76% FT. 21.7 PER
1994-95: 21/10/1/1/3 on 52% FG and 76% FT. 20.1 PER

1995-96: 23/10/2/1/3 on 52% FG and 69% FT. 22.7 PER
1996-97: 20/10/2/1/3 on 53% FG and 64% FT. 21.6 PER
1997-98: 19/10/1/1/2 on 55% FG and 67% FT. 22.4 PER
1998-99: 20/11/2/1/4 on 51% FG and 65% FT. 24.6 PER
1999-00: 22/10/2/1/4 on 55% FG and 71% FT. 25.8 PER
2000-01: (13 games, 24 MPG) 14/8/1/0/2 on 52% FG and 56% FT. 24.6 PER
2001-02: 16/8/1/0/2 on 52% FG and 66% FT. 18.9 PER

2003-04: (12 games, 18 MPG) 8/2/1/0/1 on 47% FG and 88% FT. 13.3 PER
2004-05: (37 games, 19 MPG) 8/5/1/0/2 on 47% FG and 58% FT. 15.4 PER
2005-06: (20 MPG) 8/6/0/0/3 on 60% FG and 59% FT. 19.4 PER
2006-07: (20 MPG) 9/5/0/0/2 on 56% FG and 60% FT. 16.7 PER
2007-08: (25 games, 16 MPG) 6/4/0/0/2 on 55% FG and 59% FT. 16.2 PER

Career Regular Season Stats: (31 MPG) 17/9/1/1/3 on 53% FG and 69% FT. 21.2 PER

Alonzo Mourning Playoff Stats (in two playoff runs Mourning started taking threes with nice results. I listed his percentages for those runs)
1992-93: 9 games, 24/10/1/1/3 on 48% FG and 77% FT. 19.1 PER
1994-95: 4 games, 22/13/3/1/3 on 42/50/84. 21.3 PER

1995-96: 3 games (31 MPG), 18/6/1/1/1 on 49% FG and 71% FT. 13.6 PER
1996-97: 17 games, 18/10/1/1/3 on 49/38/56. 15.9 PER
1997-98: 4 games, 19/9/1/1/3 on 52% FG and 66% FT. 23.1 PER
1998-99: 5 games, 22/8/1/2/3 on 52% FG and 65% FT. 25.8 PER
1999-00: 10 games, 22/10/1/0/3 on 48% FG and 67% FT. 23.8 PER
2000-01: 3 games (30 MPG), 12/5/1/0/2 on 48% FG and 58% FT. 12.6 PER
2004-05: 15 games (17 MPG), 6/5/0/0/2 on 71% FG and 56% FT. 17.6 PER
2005-06: 21 games (11 MPG), 4/3/0/0/1 on 70% FG and 67% FT.
2006-07: 4 games (14 MPG), 6/2/0/0/1 on 91% FG and 39% FT. 20.0 PER

Career Playoff Stats: (27 MPG) 14/7/1/0/2 on 51% FG and 65% FT. 19.2 PER

Alonzo Mourning Awards and Accomplishments
7x NBA All-Star (1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2001, 2002)
2x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1998-99 and 1999-00)
2x Rookie of the Month (March 1993 and April 1993)
December 1999 Player of the Month
1992-93 NBA All-Rookie (1st)
2x All-Defensive (1st)
1x All-NBA (1st)
1x All-NBA (2nd)
2nd in MVP voting in 1998-99. 3rd in 1999-00.
Championship on 2006 Miami Heat.
Finished in top 10 in NBA in FG% 4 times.
Led NBA in blocks in 1998-99 and 1999-00.
7th in NBA in Points per game in 1995-96.
Twice finished top 10 in NBA in rebounds per game.
Finished in the top 10 in NBA in blocks per game ELEVEN times, leading the NBA twice.
Finished top 10 in NBA in PER 4 times.
Finished top 10 in NBA in block percentage 11 times, leading the NBA twice.
Sixth in NBA history in blocks per game.
40th in NBA history in PER.
6th in NBA history in block percentage.
33rd in NBA history in FG%.
1992 Big East Conference Player of the Year
1988-89 NCAA AP All-America (3rd)
1989-90 NCAA AP All-America (2nd)
1991-92 NCAA AP All-America (1st)


Alonzo Mourning Highlights
50 points: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1srKjUdBJI8
Game winner vs Celtics in playoffs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfpMWHwS220
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Alonzo definitely and he'll get in easily. Grant Hill? Probably not.
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Alonzo = HOF
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My favorite Alonzo Mourning highlight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HnWXmMsioA
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Mourning yes. Hill? Doubtful, but it never hurts to be as universally liked as he appears to be.
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Hill would have been a surefire if only his ankles weren't made of mashed potatoe
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I bet both will make it.
Don't forget Hill's career at Duke.
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Default Re: Hall of Famer? Part 10: Grant Hill and Alonzo Mourning

Zo eventually will get in

the epitome of perseverance and love for the game in a basketball player
considering his kidney problems he couldve even extended his prime and his career as well

Grant Hill will always be remembered for a disappointing career but he has had a good one and one many cant say they have enjoyed. He has said this before and I believe HOF or not he'll be remembered just the same

Grant has great things in his future, I really think he should consider one day replacing Billy Hunter in the NBAPA
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Alonzo for sure. He finished 2nd in MVP voting in 1999 and should have won mvp and have a few DPOY. I believe Grant Hill should be in as well.
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People need to understand that this is not the Baseball hall of fame or the Football hall of fame. The standards are much different. Both Grant Hill and Alonzo Mourning will get in the hall of fame. Hill had a great college career and was an elite player for the first 6 years of his career, he's going to finish his career with close to 20,000 points. His overall accolades will be enough.
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