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Old 12-31-2006, 09:04 AM   #31
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Calvin Johnson will not be go later than top 3

Matt Lienart, Mike Williams WR

Nuff said. Its the nfl draft, anything is possible.
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Based on the teams' finish this season, the Broncos, at best, could end up with the Redskins' first- and third-round picks in the 2007 draft if the Redskins finish with a worse record than the Broncos.

In that scenario, the Broncos and Redskins would flip-flop first-round picks, with Denver moving up in the opening round and the Redskins moving down. The Broncos would then get the Redskins' third-round pick as well.

If the Redskins finish with a better record than the Broncos, Denver gets the Redskins' third- and fourth-round picks in April.

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Wrong as usual. You cant seriously think Ashely Lelie would command the right to flop first round picks so easily do you moron? This was one of those deals where x, y, z had to happen plus 1, 2, 3 for the right to flop first round picks. If it was THAT simple it would have been announced and included in the deal at the time of the trade. It wasnt nor will it be. You keep thinkin Denver gets the 7th pick in the NFL draft. Go right on ahead.

What exactly did the Redskins give up in this deal?

Youíve heard a third-round pick, but thatís not entirely accurate. The compensation will have the draft pick trade chart value of a third-round, but it may not be a third-rounder that changes hands. According to Bill Williamson in the Denver Post, and confirmed by Warpathís John Keim, these are the possible scenarios:

1. The two teams exchange first-round picks, in which the Broncos would make a huge jump up the round
2. The teams flip-flop their first-rounders and the Broncos get a fourth-rounder in 2008
3. The teams flip-flop their first-rounders and the Broncos get a third- rounder next year
4. The Broncos get a third-rounder in 2007 and a fourth-rounder in 2008.

To make this as expensive as possible, letís assume that they are looking at the point value of the first pick in the draft, which on the 2006 chart was 265 points. So, somehow or another, the Redskins have to transfer 265 points to the Broncos. Obviously for any of the first three scenarios listed to happen the Broncos would have to the picking later than the Redskins meaning that the Broncos would need to have a better record in 2006.



Letís say that the Broncos win the Super Bowl and have the 32nd pick of the first round. To make up those 265 points in an exchange of first-round picks the Redskins would have to own the 20th pick or better. Presumably scenarios #2 and #3 will come into play if the teams are closer together in their draft positions. The fourth possibility, the one that has the Redskins giving up the two picks for Duckett, would occur if the Redskins finish with a better record than the Broncos.

On the face of it giving up a first-day pick for a player with one year left on his contract is a pretty hefty price, one that says very loudly that the Redskins are looking to win it all in 2006."
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If it was THAT simple it would have been announced and included in the deal at the time of the trade.

I am getting my information directly from the Rocky Mountain News, not making it up. And its NOT that simple, because when the deal was made in the pre-season the consensus was both Denver and Washington had good teams, so any swapping of picks would have been minimal ie swapping the 18 pick and the 21 pick, or something of that nature.

It is only because Washington was so much worse than expected that the trade looks as lopsided as it does. Obviously the Skins would never have done the deal, knowing what they know now.
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I am getting my information directly from the Rocky Mountain News, not making it up. And its NOT that simple, because when the deal was made in the pre-season the consensus was both Denver and Washington had good teams, so any swapping of picks would have been minimal ie swapping the 18 pick and the 21 pick, or something of that nature.

It is only because Washington was so much worse than expected that the trade looks as lopsided as it does. Obviously the Skins would never have done the deal, knowing what they know now.

Wrong, the deal was MADE with these complicated rules just SO this type of thing wouldnt happen. It was done so barring Wash collasping Denver doesnt get the right to swap picks if they draft high! The only way swapping of first round picks enter into play is if both Denver and Wash have late first rtound picks. Thus Denver has the potential to swap. But since Wash stunk this year they arent given that right. You're flat out WRONG and dont understand the perks behind this damn deal. I'm gonna keep this topic around too. Just so i can laugh at how stubborn, hard headed and retarded you have become.

When teams deal draft picks before the season and it involved first round picks stipulations are forced upon them ontop of other things. You simply dont get first round picks especialluy SWAPPING them so easily. This isnt the NY Knicks and Chicago Bulls kid. Its not that simple and when the trade went down was never made to be that simple. No franchise is stupid enough where you give up the right to swap first round picks for a backup RB named TJ Duckett just becaused you moved Ashley Lelie. Use the common sense GOD gave you. Geeze, only suckers are the Denver fans thinkin they now own Wash first round pick.
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GOBB if i'm worng I am certainally man enough to admit it, as disappointed as I would be. However, the article I pulled up covering the details of the trade makes no mention of the additional circumstances you are mentioning. I will post it once again.




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Broncos trade Lelie in three-way deal
Receiver sent to Falcons; team gets 2007 draft help
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The Broncos dealt Ashley Lelie as part of a three-way deal with the Redskins and the Falcons Tuesday night. In the end the Falcons ended up with Lelie, the Broncos got draft picks from the Redskins and Washington got running back T.J. Duckett.STORY TOOLS
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By Jeff Legwold, Rocky Mountain News
August 22, 2006
After weeks of proposals and counterproposals in the Broncos' standoff with receiver Ashley Lelie, the trade winds finally blew through the team's Dove Valley complex Tuesday.
The Broncos agreed to terms on a three-way deal that will send Lelie to the Atlanta Falcons once the paperwork is completed. The Falcons will send, according to two league sources, running back T.J. Duckett to the Washington Redskins and the Redskins will send a combination of draft picks to the Broncos.

Based on the teams' finish this season, the Broncos, at best, could end up with the Redskins' first- and third-round picks in the 2007 draft if the Redskins finish with a worse record than the Broncos.

In that scenario, the Broncos and Redskins would flip-flop first-round picks, with Denver moving up in the opening round and the Redskins moving down. The Broncos would then get the Redskins' third-round pick as well.

If the Redskins finish with a better record than the Broncos, Denver gets the Redskins' third- and fourth-round picks in April.


Broncos general manager Ted Sundquist and coach Mike Shanahan could not be reached for comment.

The Broncos had been holding the line that they wanted a first- or second-round pick in exchange for Lelie, or a front-line player.

It is clear the potential to improve their standing in the first round as well as the potential for multiple picks in the 2007 draft were enough to make the deal.

When training camp opened and Shanahan had vowed not to speak on the matter again, he said he wanted "equal value" for Lelie. He also said Lelie should report and compete for the team's No. 1 receiving job if that's what he wanted.

"We're holding all the cards," Shanahan said then.

The three teams were not expected to complete the paperwork on the trade until late this afternoon at the earliest.

The trade will be official when all players and teams have signed the documents.

The Broncos also are believed to have made the trade contingent on an agreement from Lelie to pay the team as much as $1 million - which would cover the fines Lelie has been assessed for missing the team's three-day mandatory minicamp as well as training camp to this point and a portion of Lelie's original $3.3 million signing bonus.

It is unclear if that $1 million would be negotiable at a later date because it is $400,000 more than Lelie is scheduled to make this season.

Because his current contract is traded to the Falcons as well, Lelie is scheduled to earn $600,000 in base salary this season if the Falcons do not redo the deal.

Lelie was fined $14,000 for each missed mandatory day of training camp - the total was $322,000 as of Monday - and he was fined just more than $11,000 for missing minicamp in July.

Lelie is scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent after the season.

Lelie did not return a message seeking comment but his agent, Peter Schaffer, said Lelie was happy with the outcome.

"Ashley is pleased the deal was consummated," Schaffer said. "And he is certainly grateful (for) the professionalism shown by the Denver Broncos organization throughout this entire process. Ashley has nothing but good memories from his time in Denver and he's looking forward to the next chapter in his life."

Schaffer had been trying to secure a deal for weeks and had formal discussions with the 49ers, Bears, Eagles and Titans before Tuesday's deal.

The Bears have been known to have offered the Broncos a fourth-rounder for Lelie in recent weeks.

For Lelie, it means he finally gets back on the field after vowing he would not play for the Broncos again if he didn't have to. He has been upset at the prospect of being the "No. 3 receiver with the Broncos" after the team traded for receiver Javon Walker.

Lelie will arrive in Atlanta as the Falcons' No. 3 receiver behind Michael Jenkins and Roddy White. Lelie, according to the NFL sources, recently spoke at length with Falcons officials, who made it clear he was coming to the team as a No. 3.

The Falcons recently lost their No. 3 receiver, Brian Finneran, for the season because of a right knee injury.

Lelie, who was the Broncos' first-round pick in 2002 (196th overall), led the league's regulars in yards per catch in each of the past two seasons and finishes his Broncos tenure with 168 receptions for 3,007 yards - a 17.9 yards per catch average - and 12 touchdowns.
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GOBB if i'm worng I am certainally man enough to admit it, as disappointed as I would be. However, the article I pulled up covering the details of the trade makes no mention of the additional provesions you are mentioning. I will post it once again.

Just use common sense. Ashely LeLie doesnt own that kind of value where its an outright swapping of first round picks. Denver is lookin at Wash 3rd and 4th round picks. Thats still a BAD DEAL by WAsh but its not the silly deal you seem to be misreading. You're being misled here bigtime. Sorry to tell you that. Its time for you to stop promoting that Denver gets Wash 7th pick.
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Why do you keep posting that DUMB article??????


Article explains it
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Ashely LeLie doesnt own that kind of value where its an outright swapping of first round picks.

No, he definately does not. But, if Wash assumed they would be in the playoffs their logic behind the trade makes alot more sense.


I call a hung jury. I'll look for any mentions of it when I watch the Broncos/SF game later, as well as check today's paper for any further updates.
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No, he definately does not. But, if Wash assumed they would be in the playoffs their logic behind the trade makes alot more sense.

If Wash assumed they would be in the playoffs there would be stipulations! In trade talks they would agree that the right to swap first round picks would only happen if A & B occurs, if neither A or B occurs then the right to swap doesnt happen thus compensation of a later round pick would take into form hence (2nd round, 3rd, round, 4th round and so on). Thats how it works! Its not the stupid Chicago Bulls have the right to swap first round picks unprotected with the NY Knicks! You have it all wrong.

Wash did not offer no such a deal. For Denver to get the 7th pick in the draft so many occurances would have had to happen for that to be done. Its closer to impossible then it is possible. Its closer to unreasonable then it is reasonable.


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I call a hung jury. I'll look for any mentions of it when I watch the Broncos/SF game later, as well as check today's paper for any further updates.

There are more articles, more talking about Denver recieving a 3rd round pick in the deal than it is that the Skins lose thier 7th pick and now have to take Denvers pick. The trade would have NEVER got done. You're talkin about a #3 WR, a backup RB apart of a deal where one team gives up the right to swap first round picks without any rules or stipulations. Without barring injury or a disasterous seasons. No crutch and I'm telling you those kind of deals dont exist in the NFL.

Sorry if your mouth was watering at the thought of top prospects up in the draft. But from what i know you get a 3rd round pick and a 4th. Not sure if its in 2007 or 2008. Denver still gets a good deal because LeLie bombed and i dont think he even got a new deal or will. So he could become a free agent. Meanwhile you got rid of him for a 3rd round pick which replaces the 2nd round pick you lost getting Javon Walker. I say Denver made out to obtain a first day pick for a WR who will look for a new home.
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A even better article explaining the complicated trade
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Lelie is complete garbage. He wanted to be traded in the first place when we traded for Javon, and he was "relegated" to third receiver, not that he had ever shown he could be anything more. Typical reciever, thinks he's better than he is. Never showed good or even consistant hands, never showed a real aptitude for blocking, contact, or going over the middle. All he ever did was catch deep passes. Pretty boy pu**y. Nothing more than another Corey Bradford.
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GOBB you're right. I thought differently becasue the article I had been reading was obviously incorrect. Dammit.
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GOBB you're right. I thought differently becasue the article I had been reading was obviously incorrect. Dammit.

You're welcone. GoBB is usually 95.7% right. Now you can take the info and pass along to others especially other misinformed Denver Broncos fans so they arent photoshopping draft picks names on the back of jerseys "Adrian Peterson!". After reading the initial topic over i was like hold up...this dont sound right. No way Wash does that kind of deal so i had to investigate. Those kind of deal dont happen in the NFL involving first round picks. Egg nog

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After reading the initial topic over i was like hold up...this dont sound right. No way Wash does that kind of deal...
You underestimate the stupidity of the Redskins.

-made Adam Arculeta one of, if not THE, highest paid Safeties in football. This was after he told the tema he wanted to go to Chicago cause he felt he fit Chicago's defensive scheme better. Also keep in mind that the signing bonus given to Arculeta was about 3/4 the value of the total contract Ryan Bowen requested who they declined to resign.

-traded a third round pick to get Mark Brunell a month before the Jacksonville Jaguars would have made him a cap casualty

-traded Champ Bailey and a draft pick to get Clinton Portis. Portis is good but he's not that good.

Those are just three of the silly moves they have made since Joe Gibbs came back. There are more than a dozen more.

Looking at their past moves and taking into account their views on the draft don't put it past the Redskins to agree to swapping of first rounders.
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