Don't think there's anything wrong with trying to win now. The window doesn't last forever as we saw with Deron Williams. Next year eventually didn't come for Stockton and Malone. While you wait for next year young guys eventually need to be paid as Millsap will after next year and as far as I'm concerned he's still the guy til Favors proves otherwise. The fact NJ let Favors go in the first place might be a telling sign of what his ceiling really is anyway?
People talk about Oklahoma but they're already to the point of having to figure out how to pay all their guys to keep it together. The league just isn't set up for waiting around unless you want to be in the Clippers old cycle of drafting high every year and than losing those guys later.
They've shown this year even without any outside shooting that they're just a point guard away. They've been blowing close games all year. They could easily be in 2nd in the conference with any kind of pg play other than what Harris has given them.
The game Tinsley played they looked like a different team offensively and the offense even looked good with Harris for a couple games recently. We've seen in NY and Minnesota what a difference it makes having a floor leader and in Utah's offense it is mandatory.
Rondo is certainly one of the best guys they could get for their offense not to mention what he brings defensively as well. He would probably lead the league in assists in Utah and make everyone better. They're going to have money to spend after next year and will still have some assets. It's not like going with a 26 year old instead of a 21 year old you're giving up the future.
I know you're right, I'm probably just falling into the trap of having expectations of what could be, rather than what will be. I have delusions/dreams of Favors/Kanter becoming some sort of Twin Towers type combo together.
They could be. Their games seem to go pretty good together but when opportunity knocks sometimes you have to take chances. Without Deron or Stockton we've seen what happens and it's not a pretty sight. There aren't a lot of Rondo's out there. Not that guys with Favors skill set are either. If Favors had Millsap's motor it would be another story entirely. Right now I'm feeling pretty good about Kanter and Burks. I'd look to build around them. That could be with Favors and Hayward and Millsap(depending on how much money he commands next year?extention?) it might not.
the Jazz continue to view their most moveable pieces — Paul Millsap, Devin Harris and Al Jefferson
If Harris had been movable he probably would have been gone by now.
Bell is available to be moved, a source said Tuesday
With Harris' recent resurgence, the Jazz are less likely to move him before the deadline. Just two weeks ago, he was on the market, and his availability dated back to at least the 2011 draft. But Harris is averaging 11.2 points and 4 assists during March, and he's begun to find a groove with Jefferson. A source close to Harris said Tuesday they were informed Utah has no plans to deal him by Thursday.
Bad news! They are better without him regardless of how he's played of late.
The Jazz's C.J. Miles, Josh Howard and Jamaal Tinsley are being discussed in trade talks with San Antonio and Minnesota, according to HoopsWorld's Alex Kennedy. The Tribune reported two weeks ago the Jazz were open to moving Miles, but he's unlikely to be dealt unless part of a package trade.
Several teams are interested in acquiring Miles, a slasher who can fire away from 3-point land, and has seven seasons of NBA experience despite only being 24. Miles will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, though, and there's no guarantee a team that gives up assets to acquire him for the end of the 2011-12 campaign has a real chance of re-signing him this summer.
Miles recently told The Tribune he's open to remaining with Utah after this year and, overall, he's had a solid season off the bench. But his minutes and productivity continue to fluctuate, and it's become increasingly likely this will be his final season with the Jazz.
Can't see CJ being back so if you can trade him and you think it's more valuable than the cap space he will give you he's got to go. Burks needs to be in the rotation as well. Tinsley should be playing but since he's not him or Earl could bring you something I'm sure. They would both make sense in Minnesota or SA.
Howard's been a free-agent steal for Utah. He's pushed his way into the starting lineup, and he's well-liked by teammates and coaches. Howard also recently told The Tribune he's open to signing an extension with the Jazz. But every game Howard plays with Utah — proving his return from an ACL injury is legitimate — makes him more attractive to other teams looking to add a veteran small forward this summer through free agency.
Yep. I'm sure he has value too and his price keeps going up. Better get something good if they get rid of him though. He's a player!
Millsap continues to be Utah's most moveable asset, and the Jazz are high on steadily improving second-year forward Derrick Favors, who could immediately step into the starting lineup. But Millsap is still highly valued by Utah. He's having another strong year, ranking second on the team in average points (15.8) and rebounds (8.9), while shooting 49.9 percent from the field and 82.1 percent from the free-throw line. He's a team player and a positive force in the locker room. And he alternates with Jefferson as the Jazz's main offensive weapon.
And you will have a hard time getting equal value on his contract.
Jefferson is very likely to remain on Utah's roster. He's been the team's MVP this season and is playing better overall ball than ever; his burdensome $28 million contract turns into a $15 million expiring deal next season that could be used as a valuable trade chip; and while rookie center Enes Kanter is ahead of schedule in his development, he's not ready to consistently start in the NBA.
Millsap is their MVP. Taking more shots doesn't make you more valuable. Favors would start not Kanter. Got to start thinking of tanking it. Gs is. Jazz make the playoffs they will have no first round pick in a deep draft though it is weak on pg's the position they most need to fill.
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The Jazz are involved in trade talks with San Antonio and Minnesota involving Utah's Josh Howard, C.J. Miles and Jamaal Tinsley, according to HoopsWorld's Alex Kennedy.
The reported deal isn't imminent and is only in the exploratory stage.
In return for trading Howard, Miles and Tinsley, the Jazz would reportedly receive San Antonio's Danny Green (7.8 average points) and Minnesota's Wayne Ellington (5.3 points). Other players and draft picks would likely be included, according to Kennedy.
A source close to Howard told The Salt Lake Tribune on Tuesday they were unaware of the reported deal. Multiple sources informed The Tribune on Tuesday the Jazz were actively making and listening to calls, but no deal involving any Utah players was imminent. The NBA trade deadline is 1 p.m. MT Thursday.
Howard, Miles and Tinsley are in the final years of their contracts with Utah.
Brian T. Smith
Both players can shoot which they need and Green looks like he might get after it defensively but they get even younger and both guys are ultimately bench players I'd think. Howard and Tinsley could make sense for either team. I'd guess Howard to SA though and CJ to Minnesota? Tinsley?
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AlexKennedyNBA: Sources say the Utah Jazz are shopping C.J. Miles. The New Jersey Nets and Minnesota Timberwolves are among the teams showing interest.
EricPincus: Also - CJ Miles could be on the move Nets interested - esp if they can clear some salary
EricPincus: I looked into Raja Bell and the Clippers to learn that LAC not interested
Raja and CJ could make sense for the Clipps. They have two TPE's that would work I think.
CJ to the NJ Jazz makes sense too. Morrow/Farmar/Petro look like the guys Nets would want to trade for cap space. All 3 have one more year which works for the Jazz. Farmar and Morrow would both be nice gets. Both can shoot. Both could start. Farmar could get a chance to run the offense. Billy King and O'Conner are buddies. As are CJ and Deron.
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Sources tell HOOPSWORLD that the Utah Jazz and New Jersey Nets have discussed deal that would swap Miles for pieces like Anthony Morrow and Johan Petro. The Nets would like to trim off as much salary as possible for the offseason, when they hope to attain the services of center Dwight Howard. Miles has an expiring deal while both Morrow and Petro have another at a combined $7.5 million. HoopsWorld
Brian T. Smith: C.J. Miles was definitely available about two weeks ago. General thought now is he's easier to move in a package deal. Twitter
Brian T. Smith: #UtahJazz GM Kevin O'Connor acknowledged Monday team has more flexibility to make trades than it has in a long time. Ball's in Jazz's court. Twitter
Jazz have no need for Petro. I'd try to get another team involved to take him or they better get some serious compensation to do so. Talk of a first rounder to the Bobcats for Diaw if they took those guys from the Nets. I liked it with Farmar better though I hate to see Josh and Tinsley go. Doesn't sound like the Jazz want to deal Howard either but they could lose him in the off season anyway and Tinsley is 3rd string and will probably be gone in the off season too.
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The deal would send Danny Green and Wayne Ellington to the Jazz, C.J. Miles and Jamaal Tinsley to the Timberwolves, and Josh Howard to the Spurs.
The Spurs have been eyeing Josh Howard since free agency, but he ultimately passed on them to play in Utah.
Green, who last year was unknown by (non-UNC) fans, was given an opportunity of which he took advantage. However, on a team where the starting roles in the backcourt are dominated by two potential Hall of Famers, Green can be easily replaced. Gary Neal has proven to be valuable and shooting guard James Anderson has been riding the bench for the entire season.
Howard, on the other hand, stands at 6'7'' and provides a bit of height to the Spurs who very much lack it. If he can take the small forward spot, Kawhi Leonard—with that gigantic wingspan—can be used to control bigger, more athletic players if the two share minutes on the court.
However, Green's ball handling abilities make him valuable to the team, especially following the retirement of backup point guard, TJ Ford.
The two are similar stat-wise, with Howard averaging one point more and two fewer rebounds and assists. Green has been performing well on both ends and with the trust that Popovich has put in him, this rumored deal comes as quite a surprise.
If the Jazz show a bit of interest in James Anderson, who has already requested a trade, the deal becomes much more attractive for San Antonio.
The New York Daily News' Stefan Bondy reported Wednesday the Jazz are attempting to unload Raja Bell and Miles, with the Nets possibly offering a future first-round draft pick and center Johan Petro in exchange for Miles.
Bondy reported Utah's willing to send Bell to the Los Angeles Clippers in exchange for a $3.8 million trade exception.
The Tribune first reported Tuesday that Bell is available, and he was later linked to Los Angeles by HoopsWorld's Alex Kennedy.
A source told The Tribune on Wednesday that New Jersey shooting guard Anthony Morrow (12.9 points, 38.3 percent shooting behind 3-point line) could be added in a deal for Miles, but stressed that any talks were in the exploratory stage, at best.
Miles is open to remaining with the Jazz, and the organization believes he's continuing to evolve as a strong bench player with an improved all-around game. However, the chances of Utah re-signing him after his contract expires this season are slim. Young wings Gordon Hayward and Alec Burks are expected to command future minutes, while Miles' on-court time and role have wildly fluctuated the last two seasons.
If dealt to the Nets, Miles would rejoin Williams — a longtime, close friend — while Utah would help the Nets free up salary-cap space to possibly add Orlando superstar center Dwight Howard.
Well if Howard is staying do the Nets unload these guys? Deron is as good as gone either by the deadline or this summer.