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Old 01-11-2012, 12:13 AM   #16
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I wondered the same, I felt that a lot of it was him being pressured as a result of being MJ's son.

I feel bad for him, a lot of people put unrealistic pressure on him because of his lineage and when he stopped playing ball, the national media feels the need to make a story out of it. It's not that big of a deal

I think he's just one of those guys that likes the sport, but doesn't love it. One of those guys that plays recreationally, has talent to always be picked up on a pick up team, but doesn't have the motivation to become his best at it. Which is ok. I was always a good soccer player, but my first love was basketball which I tried my hardest to become the best at. I could've probably gone way further in soccer than in basketball given that I just had more natural talent in it (starter in all my years in high school while I was the 6th man on the basketball team), but I just wasn't motivated to. Maybe it's the same way with Jeff. It's just that he's the first son of the world's greatest player that people think he's wasting his life.

He's gonna be fine. He seems like a good kid.
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Old 01-11-2012, 12:19 AM   #17
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I guess I didn't watch enough Illinois games when he was there, because I just never saw any of that athletic ability. Whenever he came into the game he didn't stand out to me at all from a skill or athletic standpoint, in fact he looked outmatched playing against Big 10 backcourt players.

To me it seems like he'd have been better off going ahead to a MVC or Horizon Conference school in which he'd be facing players his level and that would give him some confidence in his game. I think he got torched by either Eric Gordon or Derrick Rose in HS on national TV, and that should've told him he needed to stick to the mid-major level.

I agree with the other dude in that Jeff lacked street hunger. Everything handed to him, and he doesn't have that drive that other players have to constantly prove themselves against "better players" because they're not scared of a challenge.

Well he was a preferred walk-on for us. I think he only received a scholarship offer from Valpo or other schools in that range out of high school. The reason you didn't get to see much athletic ability was that he wasn't that adept in basketball IQ. He didn't move well of the ball so you didn't see him cut for a dunk or alley-oop, and he didn't have much of a handle where he could blow by a guy for an athletic layup or dunk. He did have the ability to. He was fast as anyone we had. During the midnight madness you got to see some crazy dunks from Jeff during the dunk contest. Dude can jump. Even put on his dad's Jersey and did some of his signature dunks.

In fact, when Chester Fraizer graduated, he said that Jeff had the ability to be a better defender than he was, and that was 100% true. And if he had Chester's heart, he would've undoubtedly be a phenomenal player. However, few people in the world have the same amount of heart that Chester has. I miss that guy.
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Well he was a preferred walk-on for us. I think he only received a scholarship offer from Valpo or other schools in that range out of high school. The reason you didn't get to see much athletic ability was that he wasn't that adept in basketball IQ. He didn't move well of the ball so you didn't see him cut for a dunk or alley-oop, and he didn't have much of a handle where he could blow by a guy for an athletic layup or dunk. He did have the ability to. He was fast as anyone we had. During the midnight madness you got to see some crazy dunks from Jeff during the dunk contest. Dude can jump. Even put on his dad's Jersey and did some of his signature dunks.

In fact, when Chester Fraizer graduated, he said that Jeff had the ability to be a better defender than he was, and that was 100% true. And if he had Chester's heart, he would've undoubtedly be a phenomenal player. However, few people in the world have the same amount of heart that Chester has. I miss that guy.

Or than Michael Jordan had. Y'all think Michael Jordan's bad?
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**** i gotta make it out to a UCF game while marcus is still there
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Old 01-23-2012, 04:31 PM   #20
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But what genes did MJ parents have where he became arguably the greatest player in the NBA?


Hard work. MJ spent hours every day working on getting better. His sons may not have the same desire or drive to get better or they may just be trying to get by on their dads name.
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The phrase "street hunger" is one of the stupidest things ever, but this is one of the handful of scenarios I really think it would've come in useful.

I agree 'street hunger" is stupid especially when Upper middle class kids or wealthy kids(top 1%) like Kobe Bryant, Grant Hill, Ken Norton, Jr, Ken Griffey Jr, Mark Ingram,Pat Ewing Jr, etc..(off the top of my head) and even Laila Ali dind't need to get her pretty face bashed. There are many more upper middle class to wealthy kids I can't think of off hand ,but street hunger isn't the issue.

Peyton Manning (who's played with a broken jaw) and Eli Manning ,like Kobe ,are more successful than their Upper Middle class or wealthy fathers.


The 1 percenters are under represented in Sports simply because they are under represented (numerically speaking) in society not lack of "street hunger"

"Street hunger" is not these kids problem.

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Old 01-24-2012, 09:52 AM   #22
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I agree with the other dude in that Jeff lacked street hunger. Everything handed to him, and he doesn't have that drive that other players have to constantly prove themselves against "better players" because they're not scared of a challenge.

If MJ were 6'1 he doesn't make it either.

What about Mike Conley Jr or Kobe Bryant? Peyton or Eli Manning even more successful than pops Archie?

Ken Norton Jr, Ken Griffey Jr, Grant Hill, Mark (?) Ingram(Heisman winner), Pat Ewing jr,etc.......

What if the kid simply didn't have it? What about the millions of poor kids with physical talent that don't make it?

You guys over analyze non existent shit.

Barry Bonds(Bobby) never seemed to lack street hunger.

Moises Alou(Felipe)

Brett Hull(Bobby)

Brent Barry(rick)

Corey Spinks although Leon Spinks(great amateur Olympic medalist/ undisputed HW champ) had financial issues I doubt if Corey was some poor street kid.

Marvis Frazier(Joe) Don't laugh. Marvis was a national Golden Gloves & AAU champ in 79/80(56-2 record). Beat Tim Witherspoon

As a pro Marvis had quality wins over Bonecrusher Smith, James Tillis, Bernard Benton and tougn Cuban Jose Ribalta. No shame in not being Joe(who ruined his kids career by trying make him a brawler when he was a Spinks type Boxer) nor being in Larry Holmes/ Tysons class

These people are the famous well to do kids ,but there are certainly more I will look up.

Stephen Curry(Dell)

Austin Rivers(Doc)

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