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Old 03-11-2012, 10:54 PM   #346
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I see your Amar'e bad D gif, and raise you this one

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Old 03-11-2012, 10:57 PM   #347
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Move over Dwight, we've got a new Defensive Player of the Year on our hands.
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Old 03-11-2012, 10:57 PM   #348
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Move over Dwight, we've got a new Defensive Player of the Year on our hands.

Finally, we agree on something.
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Old 03-11-2012, 10:58 PM   #349
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Old 03-11-2012, 11:33 PM   #350
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Im sorry but it's clear you see what you want to see in games. You quoted my entire comment but have yet to respond to my main point.

Who killed us from Philly? Lou Williams and Evan Turner

Who guards those guys? Lin and Fields

What caused Philly to take the lead in the beginning of the game? Turnovers

Who had 9 turnovers? Lin and Fields

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Yeah, it's all D'antoni's fault. He's telling Melo to shoot 40% to get Jeremy's confidence up

1st of all **** Jeremy Lin's confidence. Who the hell is he? Im sick of this nonsense. He had 2 weeks of great play against sub par teams and now every1 has to change their game for him? He needs to go out there and be a pro just like everyone else. He isn't a baby. Andyes, when your star comes out with 12 points in the 1st qtr on 4 of 6 shooting, then you bench him for major minutes, yes it is your fault when he shoots 40%. It's called a getting a rhythm.

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LOL, I guess you like watching him blow layups, miss freethrows, not get back on D, and then laugh about it. 6'8" and shooting 40% on the season. But hey, he's a star right? Can't hold him accountable.

He missed ONE freethrow. ONE.He shot 11 for 12 from the line. Which is gr8 if your shot stops falling. Drawing fouls is what you're supposed to do. BTW, Gallo shoots 43% from the field this year and had ZERO points tonight. Just thought I'd point that out

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They're supposed to be leaders out there, and that's why they get the blame.

So because they are the highest paid, i should ignore the bad coaching and the real reasons we're losing? When Melo was dropping 42 on the Celtics last post seaon, but we lost. It was his fault right?even though everyone else stunk it up. C'mon man. Thats like blaming Dan Marino for the Dolphins not winning a ring. Like I said, I've seen this movie before. Even the gr8 Pat Ewing used to get blamed for all our problems.

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Amar'e and Melo have no pride. We consistently go on runs to get us back into games when they're on the bench.

Yea when teams could care less. Bottom line is, we win because we arent disciplined. Say what you will about ANYBODY on the team. This team presently constructed has too much talent to be as bad as we are. Any coach looking for a job would KILL to have this roster. Amare n Melo have only been here 2 years. We've been bad for a decade. D'Antoni has been here way longer. At some point, he needs to take on the heat for not having ANY of his Knicks teams prepared. The ones with Gallo, The ones with Amare, the ones with Melo, the ones with Marbury etc.

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He's telling Amar'e to let opposing guards walk right past him for layups.

You've got no argument from me here. I said Amare is the laziest player i the league.

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Amar'e and Melo have no pride. We consistently go on runs to get us back into games when they're on the bench

But they werent the reason we were down. We started losing because our backcourt was throwing the ball away AND"couldnt stop a nose bleed".
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Old 03-11-2012, 11:40 PM   #351
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end of the day, we can go back and forth about which player hurt us the most. End of the day, the undisputed reason why we suck is d'atnoni. NONE of our players are to blame for us switching as much as we do on defense and THAT is the number one reaon we give up so many points. Furthermore, on offense we lack cohesion. Does Melo ISO alot. Yes. But so does a lot of star players. D'Antoni has failed to figure out a way to make his players mix. Our offense could be so simple. Give it to Melo and amare early, force teams to double. When they do, make em pay. this doesnt mean you have to ISO them . Just run plays for them to get in psitions to make a play. when teams adjust (which all teams do except us), you make em pay with your role players.
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Old 03-11-2012, 11:55 PM   #352
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Im sorry but it's clear you see what you want to see in games. You quoted my entire comment but have yet to respond to my main point.

Who killed us from Philly? Lou Williams and Evan Turner

Who guards those guys? Lin and Fields

What caused Philly to take the lead in the beginning of the game? Turnovers

Who had 9 turnovers? Lin and Fields
Yeah, apparently you don't understand the concept of help defense. It's harder now than ever to guard perimeter players; defense goes through the bigs.

But by all means, keep pretending that Melo and Amar'e are just fine and shouldn't take any responsibility for the team they're supposed to be leading.

[quote]1st of all **** Jeremy Lin's confidence. Who the hell is he? Im sick of this nonsense. He had 2 weeks of great play against sub par teams and now every1 has to change their game for him? He needs to go out there and be a pro just like everyone else. He isn't a baby. Andyes, when your star comes out with 12 points in the 1st qtr on 4 of 6 shooting, then you bench him for major minutes, yes it is your fault when he shoots 40%. It's called a getting a rhythm.[/quarter]
Melo's getting plenty of chances to produce. He can't even make layups anymore.

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He missed ONE freethrow. ONE.He shot 11 for 12 from the line. Which is gr8 if your shot stops falling. Drawing fouls is what you're supposed to do. BTW, Gallo shoots 43% from the field this year and had ZERO points tonight. Just thought I'd point that out
You always bring up Gallo, who just missed a month with an injury. It reeks of insecurity. I understand of course, the mental gymnastics it takes to pretend that Carmelo is playing anywhere near worthy his contract and status. Best of luck with that.

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So because they are the highest paid, i should ignore the bad coaching and the real reasons we're losing? When Melo was dropping 42 on the Celtics last post seaon, but we lost. It was his fault right?even though everyone else stunk it up. C'mon man. Thats like blaming Dan Marino for the Dolphins not winning a ring. Like I said, I've seen this movie before. Even the gr8 Pat Ewing used to get blamed for all our problems.
If Amar'e and Carmelo where playing anywhere near we know what they're capable of, you might have some semblance of a point.

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Yea when teams could care less. Bottom line is, we win because we arent disciplined. Say what you will about ANYBODY on the team. This team presently constructed has too much talent to be as bad as we are. Any coach looking for a job would KILL to have this roster. Amare n Melo have only been here 2 years. We've been bad for a decade. D'Antoni has been here way longer. At some point, he needs to take on the heat for not having ANY of his Knicks teams prepared. The ones with Gallo, The ones with Amare, the ones with Melo, the ones with Marbury etc.
The one with Amar'e and Gallo - the first legit team D'antoni's actually had, was a sixth seed. Say it was a coincidence, say we just beat up on bad teams, but we had our best stretch of this season when Melo and Amar'e were gone. That says something. If we were just beating up on bad teams, we wouldn't have lost to the Bobcats.

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You've got no argument from me here. I said Amare is the laziest player i the league.
And Carmelo is Bill Russell. Right.

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But they werent the reason we were down. We started losing because our backcourt was throwing the ball away AND"couldnt stop a nose bleed".
More often than not, those two have hurt their team this year, full stop. I have defended them plenty (moreso Amar'e, admittedly), and I've looked ridiculous doing it.
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:23 AM   #353
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Bucks and Cavs won so they are just 1 game behind us now.

Bye,bye playoffs. See you next year (hopefully).
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Old 03-12-2012, 01:12 AM   #354
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Crazy how good we look on paper huh? This was as good as it gets from the years that went by and perhaps years to come. Proves to show, without a proper coach and the heart of players you will fail.. and this may be the best team on paper to ever have failed to come through. I feel like I'm not overreacting, it's just to the point where I can't watch anymore. Something has to be done, whether we give this team another chance to the go and fire the coach. If it still fails, then blow it up.
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Old 03-12-2012, 02:43 AM   #355
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Knicks dont look good on paper or on the floor mostly they look sexy in the toilet!

Let Boomdizzle start and put Lin with the 2nd unit.

2nd unit will be better than the first unit by a mile!

Everyone would be happy.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:23 AM   #356
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Baron has been worse than Lin. Even though he plays against bench players and has much better spacing with JR and Novak behind the arc, he still turns the ball over as much as Lin, and most of his turnovers are entirely avoidable, like botched alley-oop forces. His shot selection is the worst on the team. And he completely dominates the ball whenever he is in the game.
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Old 03-12-2012, 05:05 AM   #357
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What a disappointing season, my friends.

I never really thought we could go further then 2nd round, no it's not that my expectations were too high.

But damn, we have a losing record now, and it won't reasonably become a winning one. We seriously risk to give up the 8th seed to teams such as Bucks or Cavs.
All of this while having two players who are supposed to make any team instant playoff threats.
Everyone has their share of responsibility. Except underpaid and overperforming role players, basically Novak and Lin.

My optimism on the Knicks is at its lowest in this moment.

Our front office sucks. They sign a taleban coach. Fine: give him the pieces to win with his taleban bball principles then, or you suck. You suck.

Our coach sucks. He's a taleban. He cannot adjust his views to save his life.

Our superstars suck. They are lazy bums (Amar'e). They can't stand the pressure (Melo). The aren't leaders who give their heart out completely (both). They couldn't lead a line of pupils back home from school.

Our role players are just role players. They're not supposed to turn around a franchise. They're supposed to do what they are asked. Some do some don't. But they're not supposed to take responsibility if a team fails terribly like this.


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Old 03-12-2012, 07:41 AM   #358
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knicks always left with 2nd pickings...amare and melo
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:07 AM   #359
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Yeah, apparently you don't understand the concept of help defense. It's harder now than ever to guard perimeter players; defense goes through the bigs.

Clearly, you just illustrated that YOU don't understand help defense. It's exactly that, HELP. Which means the man guarding the ball got beat and needs HELP! So your logic is, blame the help defender (which Amare is terrible at) but not the guy who got beat in the 1st place. That's a real Republican way of thinking. Blame Obama for not fixing Bush's f^ck ups lol

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But by all means, keep pretending that Melo and Amar'e are just fine and shouldn't take any responsibility for the team they're supposed to be leading.

When did I say that? PLEASE show me where I said that? Theres a difference between holding them accountable and acting like they are the reason why we lose games. I'm not stupid. I've been folowing basketball since I was in diapers. I'm not going to sit and let the media lie to me when I know what I see with my own two eyes. Our last 7 years has been plagued with poor coaching and inconsistent guard play. THAT is why we are losing. So no, I'm not going to blame our 2 highest scorers for ALL of our problems.

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You always bring up Gallo, who just missed a month with an injury. It reeks of insecurity. I understand of course, the mental gymnastics it takes to pretend that Carmelo is playing anywhere near worthy his contract and status. Best of luck with that.

Dude, it's not that serious. It was a joke. Obviously you're the insecure one. BTW, 21 ppg 5 reb and 3 apg in an injury plagued season is far from terrible.

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The one with Amar'e and Gallo - the first legit team D'antoni's actually had, was a sixth seed. Say it was a coincidence, say we just beat up on bad teams, but we had our best stretch of this season when Melo and Amar'e were gone. That says something. If we were just beating up on bad teams, we wouldn't have lost to the Bobcats.

So that's what we're aiming for? The 6th seed? Wow. So I should go run Melo and Amare out of town. Build around Lin. Go trade and get back Gallo. Start Jeffries. Been here half a decade and the best you can achieve is a 6th seed?

This statement proves my point about how you view sports. You've regurgitated the "we played better without them" line from some BS you heard on TV. #1 look at the teams we played then. Only 3 had winning records and none of those 3 teams had top PGs #2 Look at the teams we're playing now since both guys have been back. #3 You gave Gallo a pass for coming off of injury but you forgot Melo's been hurt all year too.

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And Carmelo is Bill Russell. Right.
Never said that. But to lump them together is to ignore the games. Melo has been way better defensively than he was last year. Amare has gotten worse.

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If Amar'e and Carmelo where playing anywhere near we know what they're capable of, you might have some semblance of a point.

Shouldn't that tell you something about our coach? Every star comes hear and gets worse. Gallo left us and got better. Marbury came here and got worse. Melo regressed. Amare's been under D'Antoni damn near his whole career but he isn't nearly as aggressive as he was his rookie year in PHX. Joe Johnson got better when he left PHX.

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If Amar'e and Carmelo where playing anywhere near we know what they're capable of, you might have some semblance of a point.
And people would still be blaming them. My point is not to say they aren't playing below potential. My point has always been that they are not our main problem.

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More often than not, those two have hurt their team this year, full stop. I have defended them plenty (moreso Amar'e, admittedly), and I've looked ridiculous doing it.

21 ppg hurt your team? Playing PG because Toney Douglas is a joke hurts your team? C'mon man. Say they aren't playng to their full potential. But to blame them and completely ignore the HUGE elephants in the room (our guard play, our coaching and our defensive philosophy) is just being biased and a typical NY Knicks fan. A fan who's mentality has helped to keep a championship out of NY since before I was born!
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:08 AM   #360
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Rudy Gay: 26 points
Danilo Gallinari: 37 points
Omri Casspi (avg 7 pts): 13 points in 20 min
Kyle Korver (avg 8 pts): 16 points
Paul Pierce: 30 points
LeChoke James: 31 points
MarShon Brooks (avg 14 pts): 18 points
Paul Pierce: 34 points
Mike freaking Dunleavy freaking Jr.: 25 points

Who guarded those guys?

Let's not use double standards, right?

I love Melo and I'm gonna trust him as our superstar (at least until we change coach), but let's not act like he's the immaculate victim of the bad mystery men.
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