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Old 01-19-2012, 02:56 PM   #61
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Exactly.


Carmelo Anthony led teams always lose in the first round.
He got to the WCF once.

And Amare Stoudemire led teams always...... oh wait. AMARE STOUDEMIRE HAS NEVER LED A TEAM
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Carmelo Anthony led teams always lose in the first round.

At least Carmelo led teams always make the playoffs.

Until this year...
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:17 PM   #63
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At least Carmelo led teams always make the playoffs.

Until this year...
We'll probably make the playoffs.

We need to finish with a better record than either Boston or Cleveland.
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:32 PM   #64
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He got to the WCF once.
Amar'e's been there more than once. And Chauncey was leading the Nuggets that year.
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And Amare Stoudemire led teams always...... oh wait. AMARE STOUDEMIRE HAS NEVER LED A TEAM
Just last year he led the best Knicks team we've seen in a decade. Ah, the good old days.
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:33 PM   #65
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We'll probably make the playoffs.

We need to finish with a better record than either Boston or Cleveland.
Tall order.
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:34 PM   #66
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It bothers me that Knick fans are looking at BoomDizzle as a savior.
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:43 PM   #67
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An improvement, at least.
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I think we all agree that the financials of the deal are terrible. Still, not much can be done about it at the moment.

The roster we have at the moment does not mesh well with the coaching philosophy.
In a vacuum, most definitely, in this league? Not much. It's like saying Joe Johnson is overpaid, for Atlanta it made sense. It's all about options and supply and demand. Now Amare and Melo, they are quickly becoming overpaid, loads of talented PF and SF.
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It bothers me that Knick fans are looking at BoomDizzle as a savior.

We don't always agree on things Rameek, but I can usually count on you to be rational. Thank you.....from the bottom of my heart lol
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We don't always agree on things Rameek, but I can usually count on you to be rational. Thank you.....from the bottom of my heart lol
I disagree with your assessment on us not agreeing . I agree with mostly everything you say... I just disagree with the causes of our plight.... I agree with most of your solutions as well. Just sometimes I have to tweak it a bit....

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Just last year he led the best Knicks team we've seen in a decade. Ah, the good old days.
So Melo was a leader for like 8 years but Amare was a leader for 6 months
He didn't even make playoffs as a leader because as soon as Melo got here he took over his role.
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So Melo was a leader for like 8 years but Amare was a leader for 6 months
Melo has never demonstrated the ability to lead effectively. We've seen that for 9 years now. The Nuggets only had any kind of success with him when Billups was brought in to curb Melo's immaturity. George Karl couldn't wait to get him out of there.

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He didn't even make playoffs as a leader because as soon as Melo got here he took over his role.
And made the team worse. The guy's just not a winner.
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Melo has never demonstrated the ability to lead effectively. .
And Amare has never shown ability to lead the team AT ALL.

And don't say anything about the last season because the Knicks were a .500 team. Melo's Nuggets had a much better record.

You can talk about Billups all you want but this season shows that Amare is much more dependable on other players than Melo.
Amare is trash without a good point guard and spacing.
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And Amare has never shown ability to lead the team AT ALL.
Of course he has. Last year. With the Knicks. We all saw it.

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And don't say anything about the last season because the Knicks were a .500 team. Melo's Nuggets had a much better record.
.500 was an improvement over the year before. And there's more to leadership than just the record. He was the first major free agent to sign that summer. He really embraced the city, put the team on his back, and brought he franchise back to relevancy. He absolutely demonstrated the ability to lead.

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You can talk about Billups all you want but this season shows that Amare is much more dependable on other players than Melo.
Amare is trash without a good point guard and spacing.
It's a team sport. Amar'e being better playing with competent teammates isn't a knock on him. That's how things are supposed to be. Melo's an iso player who gets his own numbers at the expense of team ball. He's been that way his whole career. He's not going to win a championship doing it.

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Allow me to play devil's advocate here. I think it's fairly kneejerk and ridiculous to use words like scrub and trash in assessing Amare. Is he having a terrible year? Yes. Let's just call a spade a spade though. It's just that...a bad year. I don't think it's grounds to negate his entire All Star career. I mean with all of our problems, he did single handedly make us relevant. I think he at least deserves that much respect. Not saying he's out of the dog house, but to say he's without talent is absurd.
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