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Old 01-14-2012, 03:20 PM   #46
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Default Re: Rajon Rondo vs. Chris Paul

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1. Derrick Rose
2. Deron Williams
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Chris Paul
5. Russell Westbrook

Top 5 PG's right now

can you say " double standards"?

Deron Williams is shooting 38% this season as well speak and is averaging 4.4 turnovers a game. And what are the Nets record?

Chris Paul > DWill this year no doubt
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It's hilarious that after years of hearing Rondo's assist totals poo-pooed over having great teammates you want to act like playing alongside Blake Griffin is somehow holding Paul back when the desire to play with great players is why Paul wanted to be traded in the first place. What, are there no assists to be found in "Lob City?" Please name one PG in the history of basketball that wouldn't want to play with Blake Griffin. There's no Paul hate here there's just you being so overly sensitive that you view analysis as something to be reviled. Your homerism has made you anti-thought. And since when is not being conditioned an excuse for anything? You're a pro athlete, you have a responsibility to keep yourself in shape so the fact that Rondo maintained himself in the prolonged offseason while Paul did whatever Paul did is no excuse or justification for anything. CP3 is certainly elite but you don't get a sliding grading scale for laziness and/or poor diet.

Rondo is scoring more than he would normally for 2 reasons, one of which is his teammate's decline but the other is that he has worked on his jumper to make himself a better scorer. This isn't volume chucking, he shoots 51.8%.

Paul may still show himself to be better by season's end but right now the only guy that's separated himself from the pack is Derrick Rose.

Butler and Billups are good contributors but are obviously ball stoppers which is hurting CP3's assists a little. 9 apg is still great. The offense hasn't even gelled yet either. Regardless CP3 is the better PG on both ends of the floor RIGHT NOW. Considering nobody factored in contract situation or injury worries... 25 GM's or more would take CP3 over Rondo.
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Rondo isn't even a top 10 PG. You could even make a case for Rubio being better


Edit: damn you guys can even give rondo a break. first was he has the big 3 around him. well the big 3 are falling flat and rondo assist numbers are still the same, second was he can't shoot, he's knocking down wide open shots and he's working on his FTs. what's next? he is rebounds are padded?

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Rondo is playing like the 2nd best PG in this league.
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Rondo is playing like the 2nd best PG in this league.

Double standards. So Kevin Love can't be considered a top 3 PF in the game because he's not winning... yet Rondo can be a top 3 PG when the Celtics are 4-5 and only have their wins against terrible, bottom 5 teams?

Rondo's game isn't translating to wins or having the impact you guys are acting like.
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Rondo's finally "elite" and top 3 PG when the Celtics are at their worst. He's going to carry them right to the lottery every year after KG, Pierce and Allen are gone.
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Butler and Billups are good contributors but are obviously ball stoppers which is hurting CP3's assists a little. 9 apg is still great. The offense hasn't even gelled yet either. Regardless CP3 is the better PG on both ends of the floor RIGHT NOW. Considering nobody factored in contract situation or injury worries... 25 GM's or more would take CP3 over Rondo.
But I'm sure that Rondo has no teammates that create offense, right? Newsflash, 9 apg is 1 assist below Paul's career average. Paul might have a slight edge on offense (which is based on history, not current statistics) but Rondo is a repeat All-NBA first team defensive guard.
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Rondo's finally "elite" and top 3 PG when the Celtics are at their worst. He's going to carry them right to the lottery every year after KG, Pierce and Allen are gone.



Rondo can ball but he's just not Chris Paul.
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Double standards. So Kevin Love can't be considered a top 3 PF in the game because he's not winning... yet Rondo can be a top 3 PG when the Celtics are 4-5 and only have their wins against terrible, bottom 5 teams?

Rondo's game isn't translating to wins or having the impact you guys are acting like.
KAJ once won MVP on a non-playoff team. Great teams win games, great players may or may not. The obvious fact is that KG and Pierce have played far below the levels tey were at last year. Or is Rondo somehow a worse player than he was last season? You have to face logic at some point here.
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Rondo's finally "elite" and top 3 PG when the Celtics are at their worst. He's going to carry them right to the lottery every year after KG, Pierce and Allen are gone.
he's been a top 3 PG since the 09-10 season idiot.
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he's been a top 3 PG since the 09-10 season idiot.

2010 = yes because of his playoffs run

2011= out of Rose, Cp3, and Deron Williams, who are u picking Rondo over to say he's a top 3 PG?

hell. Nash > Rondo in 2011
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I disagree with your analysis. CP3 is a career 4.5 rpg PG at 5'11". Rondo is a career 5 rpg with a freak wingspan/hands and a taller frame at 6'1".
Rondo has had multiple playoff runs with 6rpg and one with 10rpg.. he's the best rebounding point since prime Jason Kidd. Him having a freak wingspan is a BONUS.. not a negative. It, along with an increased effort, is why he's a considerably better rebounder than Paul.

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Then you say a better defender. Celtics fans in recent years have come to known Rondo as an overrated defender. Chris Paul is a averaging more steals and plays man defense similar if not better this year.

Rondo is easily a better defender than Paul. He's better at playing the passing lanes with his length, and he's a better man defender because he's faster, quicker, and longer. His defensive instincts are great and he's also sneaky as hell.

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Then you try to say better court vision/passing? Many people put CP3 up there with greats like Magic and Stockton in that regard. Why don't they say the same about Rondo? With Rondo you see a guy who has been called out MULTIPLE times for intentionally stat padding assists.

And Chris Paul has been called out on doing the SAME thing. He frequently will stop shooting and looking to score just to get other guys shots and gather assists. Fact is Rondo finds people for great shots all the time and he does it with defenders backing off of him 5+ feet because they dont fear his shot, which obviously crowds the passing lanes even more. He's a better passer and can spot the open man better than Paul can both in half court sets and especially on the break.

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Not only that but Rondo has played with a loaded team his entire career. I honestly feel if you threw him onto a team like the Bobcats he would be lucky to put up 10 and 5. Chris Paul has proven he can not only play with a superstar.. but carry scrubs to good records/playoffs.

And playing on a loaded team has turned him into the crafty and experienced player he is today. It's like the Scottie Pippen effect..you put a guy with great fundamentals and physical specs on an experienced team and he learns what it takes to play effective, winning basketball because his teams stress what is important and what is not and he plays with them in tons of very meaningful games.

And NO's teams were filled with players that were far from scrubs.. 20/10 David West, Tyson Chandler, Peja.. he had very quality teammates.
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2010 = yes because of his playoffs run

2011= out of Rose, Cp3, and Deron Williams, who are u picking Rondo over to say he's a top 3 PG?

hell. Nash > Rondo in 2011
woah let me guess? you guys don't think rondo is top 3 pg because his team is losing. yet in 11 nash was better than him?

oh and wasn't chris paul struggling last year. and what seed did the hornets get last year?
yep and WE have double standards.
in 2011
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Rondo has had multiple playoff runs with 6rpg and one with 10rpg.. he's the best rebounding point since prime Jason Kidd. Him having a freak wingspan is a BONUS.. not a negative. It, along with an increased effort, is why he's a considerably better rebounder than Paul.



Rondo is easily a better defender than Paul. He's better at playing the passing lanes with his length, .

lol i hope you're are not talking about Rondo.


u think Chris Paul lead the league in steals for like 4 seasons already because he was lucky?

nobody can read passing lanes like chris paul.

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he's been a top 3 PG since the 09-10 season idiot.

Are you going on record as saying Rondo was better than Rose, CP3, Nash, Deron Williams the two years prior to this one?
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