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Old 01-24-2012, 09:07 PM   #46
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It's absurd. So once a team wins a Super Bowl, regardless how many in a row they might win, the year they lose they've underachieved?

The element of luck plays such a huge part in professional sports that it's ridiculous to assume anything when it comes to a one-and-done playoff scenario. Injuries, weather, officials...too many uncontrollable aspects to even count.
Its absurd to say its absurd. You are the DEFENDING superbowl champions. The goal of your season is to defend your championship.
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:19 PM   #47
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Its absurd to say its absurd. You are the DEFENDING superbowl champions. The goal of your season is to defend your championship.

I agree, not winning the Super Bowl after the year you just won it and with a team that just went 15-1 and everyone expected to win it, at least in the eyes of a fan, is underachieving, in my opinion.
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:23 PM   #48
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The team(s) that I think overachieved were:
The 49ers
The Raiders
Houston Texans



Underachievers:
The Jets
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:00 PM   #49
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The team(s) that I think overachieved were:
The 49ers
The Raiders
Houston Texans



Underachievers:
The Jets

Surprised you were the only one saying Texans. With all those injuries they have got to be #1.
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Old 01-25-2012, 12:18 PM   #50
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Its absurd to say its absurd. You are the DEFENDING superbowl champions. The goal of your season is to defend your championship.

Falling short of a goal isn't necessarily underachieving. Not playing up to your capabilities is. And just because playing up to your capabilities happened to result in the good fortune of a championship once doesn't mean you've underachieved if it doesn't happen again.

Mavericks unexpectedly won a title last year. Pretty much universally agreed that they overachieved. So if they don't win it again they've now underachieved? Just doesn't make sense to me.

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Old 01-25-2012, 09:23 PM   #51
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Default Re: biggest overachieving and underachieving teams this year

Think it's pretty silly to say Dallas didn't underachieve based on meaningless preseason predictions. Let's look at what they did on the field- blew double digit 4Q leads against the Jets, Lions, & Giants; took a game-winning FG off the board against Arizona; and played conservative with 3 rushes before punting to Tom Brady with 2:30 and a 3 point lead. Was gifted the division title with Giants having to play Saints/Packers and Cowboys playing Bucs/Lions. Yet couldn't win just one of the above games and the division. That's underachieving.
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:27 PM   #52
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Falling short of a goal isn't necessarily underachieving. Not playing up to your capabilities is. And just because playing up to your capabilities happened to result in the good fortune of a championship once doesn't mean you've underachieved if it doesn't happen again.

Mavericks unexpectedly won a title last year. Pretty much universally agreed that they overachieved. So if they don't win it again they've now underachieved? Just doesn't make sense to me.
So you're saying the Packers played up to their capabilities this season?
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:24 PM   #53
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So you're saying the Packers played up to their capabilities this season?

Going 15-1 during the season and then losing to a hot Giants team in the play offs means that they didn't play up to their capabilities?
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Going 15-1 during the season and then losing to a hot Giants team in the play offs means that they didn't play up to their capabilities?
You can't base the teams performance on record alone. This team did not play up to their capabilities.
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You can't base the teams performance on record alone. This team did not play up to their capabilities.

I am a bit confused at why you are saying this. Care to elaborate on why they didn't play up to their capabilities? I know they didn't win the super bowl, but to me that doesn't warrant a claim that they failed to live up to their capabilities.
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I am a bit confused at why you are saying this. Care to elaborate on why they didn't play up to their capabilities? I know they didn't win the super bowl, but to me that doesn't warrant a claim that they failed to live up to their capabilities.
Fundamentals. Missing tackles, blowing assignments, dropping passes, you name it. When you're beating yourself with fundamentals you're not playing up too your capabilities. If you watched every Packer game since the Giants regular season game all of this would make a lot more sense. They have just been going through the motions, no urgency whatsoever.
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yeah the Packers underachieved in the post season

if they were in the Super Bowl right now they would be the Vegas favorites agasnt the Pats
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Old 01-29-2012, 04:04 PM   #58
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Fundamentals. Missing tackles, blowing assignments, dropping passes, you name it. When you're beating yourself with fundamentals you're not playing up too your capabilities. If you watched every Packer game since the Giants regular season game all of this would make a lot more sense. They have just been going through the motions, no urgency whatsoever.
it's ok, the giants have a habit of making teams look like that in the post season. remember 4 years back when the patriots beat the giants 38-35 to go undefeated in the reg season? the giants don't pull out all the stops for whatever reason until the playoffs

the packers DID not look like a 15-1 team in the playoffs... but it's not as if they looked terrible.
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