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Old 01-29-2012, 02:16 PM   #31
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Default Re: Why does only Lebrons clutch failures reach criticism of epic proportions?

It's a matter of perception.

The perception is that Lebron isn't clutch, so that's what people look for.

On the other hand the perception is that Kobe is clutch, so that's what people looks for.

People like to have their perception confirmed, and it takes a lot to change it once it has solidified. Little things like Lebron having a better percentage on gamewinners than Kobe isn't going to be enough, nor is a few great playoff games here and there. Peyton Manning had a very similar problem in the NFL, and even after he won a superbowl, he's still not considered clutch.

Lebron is going to have to win at least one finals MVP, probably more than one, otherwise these questions about him will linger forever.

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Old 01-29-2012, 02:23 PM   #32
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....and nobody else?

I just dont understand why only Lebron gets this "not clutch when it is most important in playoffs"... for example Kobe got swept by that same team choking to almost death.... early in the playoffs for gods sake...... nobody calls out Kobes clutch ability for that... why?

Wade didnt do so well in the clutch either in the Finals....

Durant and Carmelo? Dont even get me started........




No, it works only when it happens to Lebron.......

It seems like EVERYBODY can get away with a missed shot attempt in the clutch......... but Lebron? HELL NO......... He can make 1000 clutch shots and miss 1 and get called for "NOT CLUTCH" because he missed it.....

Lebron has been more clutch than anybody in the season and playoffs amongst active players today.... (there is proof to that if u so wish) but when he fails its the freakin end of the world..... overreactions all over the place...


It's because Lebron is an absolute beast, a huge threat to Kobetards in L.A....and anything less then beast sticks out like a sore damn thumb...

The guy is so good, literally any mistakes he makes stick out alot more than other players...


It's like you wearing a super-white T-shirt and you get a little ketchup stain on it...no matter how small, that ****er is gonna stand out.

Best way i can put it.
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Old 01-29-2012, 02:30 PM   #33
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Lebron hit the game winner against Chicago last year and I believe Skip Bayless tried to discredit it because the score was tied at the time (instead of the Heat being down by 1) and thus apparently the shot had less pressure. Or something like that...I can't remember which specific shot or game it was. It was hysterical.

So, even if he wins a ring the haters will find something to hate on. I guess it comes with the territory.

Even if he wins three in a row he will have haters because he won it with Wade and Bosh

Then after Wade leaves if he wins two more with just Bosh he will still have haters that diminish it

Sound Familiar?



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Old 01-29-2012, 02:33 PM   #34
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Default Re: Why does only Lebrons clutch failures reach criticism of epic proportions?

LeBron is so much better than everyone else that he gets held to a higher standard. Simple really. If LeBron puts up 23//7/7 on 48% it is a bad game, but if Kobe does the same thing it is a good game, and he was looking to do more than just score. The reason for the hate against LeBron's "bad game" is that he is so much more talented than Kobe that he gets hated on for having anaveage game. No offence to Kobe, but LeBron is vastly more talented than he is. Kobe made more out of his gifts, which happens to be a drive to win, and be one of the best. LeBron hasn't made anything out of his gifts yet, he is a great player, but he hasn't used his gifts to win, and at the end of the day winning is what it is all about.
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Old 01-29-2012, 02:36 PM   #35
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And as much as I can't stand Kobe, at least in his losses he went out gunning.




I've never understood why people choose/appreciate someone who has a bad shooting night and keeps on shooting to infinity over someone who has a bad shooting night and realizes that and starts facilitating instead?

Surely, a player who shoots and shoots will look like a hero who gave everything he could but the main question is, is this really the most profitable for you team?

If you shoot and shoot and miss most of your shots you're really not giving a lot of hope to your team, except if you're not very lucky and have great offensive rebounders as teammates who collect most of your bricks.



If you're shooting bad and start passing instead, at least you're giving your teammates a chance to step up for you and maybe win the game. Maybe that night someone else in your team is having hot hand and just needs a chance to be that main guy that night and he will step up and win the game.
That's actually smarter and more profitable move for your team, but not for your reputation as the main guy, that number 1 on your team.

It just comes down whether you rather look like a hero and more likely lose a game or you rather step back and give your teammates a chance to step up but at the same time hurt your reputation as an absolute star of your team?


I think it's clear which choice is smarter and which choice is more egoistic.....
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Old 01-29-2012, 02:54 PM   #36
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Default Re: Why does only Lebrons clutch failures reach criticism of epic proportions?

When you call yourself a winner and say it's gonna be easy to win multiple championships, you better not play like shit in the Finals while the rest of your team is playing up to par.

When you have all the cameras on you and you deliver a speech about leaving everything you got on the court, don't play like shit and score 8 points in the entire game.

When your fans say that you will crush your opponents with the fury of an angry god, don't lose 3 years in a row with HCA while performing disappearing acts. It forces your fans to blame everything on Delonte West, Crackhead Gloria, LeElbow and whatnot.
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Old 01-29-2012, 02:58 PM   #37
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I've never understood why people choose/appreciate someone who has a bad shooting night and keeps on shooting to infinity over someone who has a bad shooting night and realizes that and starts facilitating instead?

Surely, a player who shoots and shoots will look like a hero who gave everything he could but the main question is, is this really the most profitable for you team?

If you shoot and shoot and miss most of your shots you're really not giving a lot of hope to your team, except if you're not very lucky and have great offensive rebounders as teammates who collect most of your bricks.



If you're shooting bad and start passing instead, at least you're giving your teammates a chance to step up for you and maybe win the game. Maybe that night someone else in your team is having hot hand and just needs a chance to be that main guy that night and he will step up and win the game.
That's actually smarter and more profitable move for your team, but not for your reputation as the main guy, that number 1 on your team.

It just comes down whether you rather look like a hero and more likely lose a game or you rather step back and give your teammates a chance to step up but at the same time hurt your reputation as an absolute star of your team?


I think it's clear which choice is smarter and which choice is more egoistic.....
You don't have an idea of what you're talking about. I think it's more than clear you have never played basketball in your life or you don't understand how basketball works.

You are better off with a star player who is struggling taking a shot than a role player taking a shot. If you really think Mario Chalmers, Mike Miller, or some other scrub on the Heat is better off creating their own shot and taking a shot over a struggling LeBron James then it's clear you are clueless.

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Old 01-29-2012, 03:00 PM   #38
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Default Re: Why does only Lebrons clutch failures reach criticism of epic proportions?

Because he hasn't won shit yet and still acts super cocky (all the comments he makes, the "not 1, not 2" bs, the dances, etc.)
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Old 01-29-2012, 03:03 PM   #39
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....and nobody else?

I just dont understand why only Lebron gets this "not clutch when it is most important in playoffs"...
Because you and others like you keep making threads about Lebron. Stop shoving him down peoples throats and people will stop telling you what they think
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Old 01-29-2012, 03:15 PM   #42
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When you call yourself a winner and say it's gonna be easy to win multiple championships, you better not play like shit in the Finals while the rest of your team is playing up to par.

When you have all the cameras on you and you deliver a speech about leaving everything you got on the court, don't play like shit and score 8 points in the entire game.

When your fans say that you will crush your opponents with the fury of an angry god, don't lose 3 years in a row with HCA while performing disappearing acts. It forces your fans to blame everything on Delonte West, Crackhead Gloria, LeElbow and whatnot.

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Kobe getting swept is insignificant, Kobe is a proven winner, he's in the club and seated in the front.

LeBron gets so much criticism when he fails simply because of respect.
He's the undisputed best in the game so when he doesn't come up big it's kind of a shock.

That's just straight cop-out bullsh!t, considering how peeps had the Lakers "laking" their way to an easy 3-peat last season. If you're constantly called the "Best", Godbe", Most Clutch 4th quarter Player" and all that other nonsense, you better live up to it. I would say being leader of the only Phil Jackson coached team to get swept is very significant.
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Because you and others like you keep making threads about Lebron. Stop shoving him down peoples throats and people will stop telling you what they think



That NEVER works....
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You don't have an idea of what you're talking about. I think it's more than clear you have never played basketball in your life or you don't understand how basketball works.


If you say so.....


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You are better off with a star player who is struggling taking a shot than a role player taking a shot. If you really think Mario Chalmers, Mike Miller, or some other scrub on the Heat is better off creating their own shot and taking a shot over a struggling LeBron James then it's clear you are clueless.


Why you exclude Wade and Bosh though?

If this was Cavs Lebron you're spot on. But if Wade or Bosh is hitting shot after shot are you really better off with a struggling Lebron? I must be clueless so my opinion is not important but I remember all three of them(Wade, Bosh, Lebron) saying that the ball will go the the player who has a hot hand that day. But never mind, they must be clueless too and don't understand how basketball works nor did they play basketball in their life......
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