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Old 02-04-2012, 07:39 PM   #31
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Nah, your just a wuss....straight up. Your the most apologistic Kobetard i've ever seen....the GOAT at that sort to speak.


LOL orlly? What exactly do u call the shitty percentages jordan had vs the knicks, heat and even hawks? Jordans best competition was always on shitty teams or in the playoffs not the finals. Am I really talking to the idiot that talks about the rule changes and how easy it is to score now days? You're the ****ing idiot saying that even though the drtg's are still better from 05-12 than they ever from from 85-98!
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:39 PM   #32
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kobe has the most rings by a superstar in the most competitive era of all time, that's all that needs to be said

Also not most finals mvp should be noted.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:42 PM   #33
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Am I really talking to the idiot that talks about the rule changes and how easy it is to score now days?l

There was an article made back in 2006:

http://*********.com/articles/defense_lazenby.htm

And it's about perimeter defense, not overall defense.

So no, DRTG doesn't work here because it's a team stat. Another reason why DRTG is lower is because there are more 3's shot and there are less post up big men comparted to the 80's and 90's.
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Also not most finals mvp should be noted.
he lost 3 to a player playing at the greatest peak the nba has ever seen, literally the only player that he could has lost to was on his team so i wouldnt hold that against him
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There was an article made back in 2006:

http://*********.com/articles/defense_lazenby.htm

And it's about perimeter defense, not overall defense.

So no, DRTG doesn't work here because it's a team stat. Another reason why DRTG is lower is because there are more 3's shot and there are less post up big men comparted to the 80's and 90's.

Then how are we suppsed to use any factual information to determine how good a certain player or team is? Guys on youtube like blackadam always say stuff like 40/50 of Jordans 40 point games are on teams with a top 10drtg? So you're saying we can't use drtg for something like this? This whole theory is moronic because there's a contradiction for every corner of it. The 80's teams had tons of perimiter players that were excellent...The early 90's had less and by the late 90's they were scare. In the late 90's they were scarce despite the fact that the exact rule said you couldn't handcheck excent below the foul line, which you can do now!
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Then how are we suppsed to use any factual information to determine how good a certain player or team is? Guys on youtube like blackadam always say stuff like 40/50 of Jordans 40 point games are on teams with a top 10drtg? So you're saying we can't use drtg for something like this? This whole theory is moronic because there's a contradiction for every corner of it. The 80's teams had tons of perimiter players that were excellent...The early 90's had less and by the late 90's they were scare. In the late 90's they were scarce despite the fact that the exact rule said you couldn't handcheck excent below the foul line, which you can do now!

Dude, simple question:

Is it easier to score today as a perimeter player? Yes or no ?
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Dude, simple question:

Is it easier to score today as a perimeter player? Yes or no ?
hell no, the average perimeter defender today would be an all 2nd team defender in jordan's era. Every night, you're guarded by a lebron, kobe, wade, allen, sefolosha, deng, durant, iggy, ginobli, wallace, brewer and the list goes on... who did jordan face, payton once every other month and then a bunch of 6'3 scrubs
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hell no, the average perimeter defender today would be an all 2nd team defender in jordan's era. Every night, you're guarded by a lebron, kobe, wade, allen, sefolosha, deng, durant, iggy, ginobli, wallace, brewer and the list goes on... who did jordan face, payton once every other month and then a bunch of 6'3 scrubs

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Dude, simple question:

Is it easier to score today as a perimeter player? Yes or no ?

Compared to the early 2000's yes but not compared the 80's and 90's. The leagues drtg was at an all time low in the very early 2000's when zones was implemented with somewhat hand checking allowed. The defense was great on the perimiter and inside in the early 2000's. Then in 05 you could still do zone but the rule changes came into effect and the drtg went fairly close back to what it was when you could hand check but not legally play zone. 94-95 specifically had that same hand checking policy as today. Where were the perimiter scorers back then? Also, non perimiter players (mostly powerforwards) started scoring tons more ton. Why? I think a lot of this increase is guys entering their primes...
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Kobe Playoff stats(good)

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Old 02-04-2012, 08:20 PM   #41
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Compared to the early 2000's yes but not compared the 80's and 90's. The leagues drtg was at an all time low in the very early 2000's when zones was implemented with somewhat hand checking allowed. The defense was great on the perimiter and inside in the early 2000's. Then in 05 you could still do zone but the rule changes came into effect and the drtg went fairly close back to what it was when you could hand check but not legally play zone. 94-95 specifically had that same hand checking policy as today. Where were the perimiter scorers back then? Also, non perimiter players (mostly powerforwards) started scoring tons more ton. Why? I think a lot of this increase is guys entering their primes...

Then why did the league re-interpret the hand-checking rule two more times in the 2000's? For shit's and giggles?

There also seems to be clear correlation to an increase in scoring for perimeter players, FG% and even with FTA following 05. We also saw guards leading the league with points in the paint around this change as well.

I'ms sure the direction of casualty isn't from players "entering their prime."

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@ early 00's. 38 years old Jordan did that.

Wizards Jordan vs Prime Artest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV52IrBoj90

Wizards Jordan vs Prime Garnett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmngcHYnfN0

"Shayne - NY: [via mobile]

Bruce... Who was the toughest player you've ever had to guard? Thanks!

Bruce Bowen:

Michael Jordan. He really had an infectious personality with his teammates. He gave guys courage when they wouldn't have had it. Kind of like Kobe and his will right now."

Bruce Bowen didn't even defend prime Jordan!
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Kobe

04 Pistons 95.4
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
02 Nets 99.5
09 Magic 101.9
00 Pacers 103.6
10 Celtics 103.8

Jordan
96 Sonics 102.1
97 Jazz 104.0
92 Blazers 104.2
91 Lakers 105.0
98 Jazz 105.4
93 Suns 106.7


Wade
06 Mavs 105.0
11 Mavs 105.0

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I don't get the agenda. His numbers look good. So the big deal is about his FG% in a sample of 5-7 games?
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Kobe

04 Pistons 95.4
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
02 Nets 99.5
09 Magic 101.9
00 Pacers 103.6
10 Celtics 103.8

Jordan
96 Sonics 102.1
97 Jazz 104.0
92 Blazers 104.2
91 Lakers 105.0
98 Jazz 105.4
93 Suns 106.7


Wade
06 Mavs 105.0
11 Mavs 105.0



By that logic, the 01 76ers were as a good a defensive team as the 08 Celtics.......
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