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Old 02-04-2012, 08:57 PM   #46
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By that logic, the 01 76ers were as a good a defensive team as the 08 Celtics.......

They were as effective at limiting their opponents on a point per possession basis over the course of the entire regular season. Its not a ranking, just a simple fact.
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By that logic, the 01 76ers were as a good a defensive team as the 08 Celtics.......

when teams Jordan is going up against are consistantly are giving up more ppg than the ones MJ faced it indicates the stronger defensive teams. No, the 01 sixers probably aren't as good at defense as the celtics BUT the overall trend is teams Jordan saw in the finals are < defensively skilled than Kobe's.
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:05 PM   #48
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when teams Jordan is going up against are consistantly are giving up more ppg than the ones MJ faced it indicates the stronger defensive teams. No, the 01 sixers probably aren't as good at defense as the celtics BUT the overall trend is teams Jordan saw in the finals are < defensively skilled than Kobe's.


Is that why Kobe shoots subpar in most of his NBA Finals???
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:09 PM   #49
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Is that why Kobe shoots subpar in most of his NBA Finals???

Seems like common sense to me. How much better would Kobe have to be than Jordan to face much more effective defenses in his time and still shoot a higher percentage than him?

04 Pistons 95.4
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
02 Nets 99.5
93 Knicks 99.7
97 Heat 100.6

09 Magic 101.9
00 Pacers 103.6
10 Celtics 103.8


MJ vs 97 Heat

Game 1 15 for 31
Game 2 4 for 15
Game 3 14 for 25
Game 4 9 for 35
Game 5 11 for 31

MJ vs 93 Knicks

Game 1 10 for 27
Game 2 12 for 32
Game 3 3 for 18
Game 4 18 for 30
Game 5 11 for 24
Game 6 8 for 24

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Old 02-04-2012, 09:17 PM   #50
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Seems like common sense to me. How much better would Kobe have to be than Jordan to face much more effective defenses in his time and still shoot a higher percentage than him?

04 Pistons 95.4
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
02 Nets 99.5
93 Knicks 99.7
97 Heat 100.6

09 Magic 101.9
00 Pacers 103.6
10 Celtics 103.8


MJ vs 97 Heat

Game 1 15 for 31
Game 2 4 for 15
Game 3 14 for 25
Game 4 9 for 35
Game 5 11 for 31

MJ vs 93 Knicks

Game 1 10 for 27
Game 2 12 for 32
Game 3 3 for 18
Game 4 18 for 30
Game 5 11 for 24
Game 6 8 for 24



When did the ESTIMATED defensive rating have any bearing on how well a guy shoots on any given night???


Kobe has shot like crap against good defenses, bad defenses, mediocre defenses, etc. The fact that he consistently shoots like shit in the Finals is a very telling indicator of his shortcomings on the biggest stage....
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:23 PM   #51
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When did the ESTIMATED defensive rating have any bearing on how well a guy shoots on any given night???


Kobe has shot like crap against good defenses, bad defenses, mediocre defenses, etc. The fact that he consistently shoots like shit in the Finals is a very telling indicator of his shortcomings on the biggest stage....

If you dont understand how the strength of defense impacts an individual player's shooting percentage or how defensive rating measures the strength of a defense during that specific year i don't know if I can help you.
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If you dont understand how the strength of defense impacts an individual player's shooting percentage or how defensive rating measures the strength of a defense during that specific year i don't know if I can help you.


You need to help yourself...those numbers don't mean crap in the playoffs. Your performances is what matters.

Kobe in 2009 playoffs vs. Jazz (10th D)

46.6%FG

Kobe in 2009 playoffs vs. Rockets (4th D)

47.5%FG


There is no direct correlation of how a player shoots vs. Defensive rating you silly goose....
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If you dont understand how the strength of defense impacts an individual player's shooting percentage or how defensive rating measures the strength of a defense during that specific year i don't know if I can help you.

Kobe vs 2000-01 Spurs (98.0 Def Rtg): 34ppg on 53%FG

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You need to help yourself...those numbers don't mean crap in the playoffs. Your performances is what matters.

Kobe in 2009 playoffs vs. Jazz (10th D)

46.6%FG

Kobe in 2009 playoffs vs. Rockets (4th D)

47.5%FG


There is no direct correlation of how a player shoots vs. Defensive rating you silly goose....



Of course there is. Are you serious?

Defensive rating is derived from holding the opposition from scoring on a per possession basis.

We can bet from here on out Ill take the biggest shot taker against the Nets every game and you can have the biggest shot taker against the 76ers. Whose players do you think are going to shoot the higher percentage?
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Kobe vs 2000-01 Spurs (98.0 Def Rtg): 34ppg on 53%FG


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What happened in the Finals!?!?
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:43 PM   #57
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LOL@ Yao ming's foot using advanced stats when they fit his Kobe slurping agenda. He hates advanced stats when they favor Wade over Kobe though. the irony!
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What happened in the Finals?



Kobe haters have fallen so far that they cant even admit that facing a tougher defense would result in a lower shooting percentage. Its basic basketball knowledge and common sense. Are you guys really that insecure in Jordan's legacy that you cant even admit that?

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See previous post.....by your logic Kobe wouldn't have shot as well against the Rockets as he did vs. the Jazz....that right there throws your argument in the trash....

FACTS REMAIN.....kobe is a career 41%FG shooter in the Finals, period....that SUCKS!!!!!!!!
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And anyone with a BRAIN knows that the early 90's Knicks were a far greater defensive team than the 2001 76ers EVER were....so take your Dratings and put them in the trash where they belong.
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