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Old 02-07-2012, 09:16 AM   #31
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

I wonder if some of these guys know the extent of how large our naval and air forces are in comparison to other nations.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:27 AM   #32
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

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if it is fought on their soil, they have absolutely no chance of even challenging, let alone winning, they have no outward attacking ability, and the West can attack from all 4 directions as they have allies in all four directions.

bombs negate any numerical advantage, and with Western countries being basically untouched (due to the lack of forward attack from the CN/RU team) they can continue to churn out artillery at break neck speed.

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standing army aside, if the US and the UK had a draft, the numbers would approach equal very quickly.

There is NO WAY a China/Russia team could win this, their ceiling is holding off the west for an extended period of time inside their own borders.

Hardly world domination.

In WW2 the Germans and Japanese had serious amphibious capabilities and for long while superior air capabilities.

The Chinese and Russians have very few amphibious vehicles to transport troops and are at a serious air disadvantage.

but then again, if you think bunkering up in your own backyard and putting out human shield after human shield is a victory, then there is really no point in having a meaningful discussion about this.

If the Chinese had a draft today they have 300,000,000 available.
I don't think you are understanding the sheer amount of people available to the other guys. The UK and Israel have very small but efficient Armed forces, the other guys have huge number, literally mind bogglingly huge armies. Technology is useful in war but and the end of the day a primitive weapon system like a Kalashnikov can still kill as effectively as one that that cost millions.
The Russians have a blue water navy that can match the UK and trounce it, granted they would lose in a surface battle against the US. It has more nuclear weapons, and lots of MOABs...which the US don't have. The numbers game has an advantage, because the US does not have an unlimited supply of weapons.
The 'east' team does have a fight back ability, because you can advance out off defense and Russia is pretty damn close the the USA.
Alliances: The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation include India as an observer, you now have to fight a force of 4,100,000 and an active recall of 300,000,000 eligible personnel. It is absolutely a numbers game
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:53 AM   #33
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

I think USA would be in trouble.

Reason being, if we got involved in a large scale conflagration like that, we could also see full on civil war break out within our borders.

Too many hippies/liberals, and also extremists who hate Israel, and are wanting to have our own "Arab spring".

Things could get real ugly real quick.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:56 AM   #34
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

Lots of naive adolescent gaming nerds in this thread.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:58 AM   #35
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

It's all fine an dandy us ISHiots spouting knowledge about how US, let alone allied with Israel and Britain would easily win this "war" as if it's a video game, but let's consider the real costs of a war such as this. You realize how many American, Israeli and British nationals (as well as nationals from any other allies) would be slaughtered? You can kiss any family member you have in the middle east, central Asia, east Asia, Russia, etc. good bye.

You might say the military cost for "our side" would be relatively small compared to the other side's.....but the loss of life on both sides would be disastrous.

What happens if the US starts nuking these countries, killing innocent citizens and say some European countries, amongst others, start to really not be happy with what's going on and perhaps not side with Russia, but say enough is enough and suddenly are starting to put their foot down? Does the US bomb them too?

What if this alienates the US, Israel, Britain and others from the rest of the world. Good bye America being a first world country for long. Unless they are gonna kill everyone and use their resources. lol

Plus, Britain would be the first to back out and say "Whoa, this is going too far." It would be the US, Israel and a bunch of "half in" allies.

The real damage would be done when the dust settles. Poor living conditions and a lot less allies. Would only be waiting for WW4.
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:16 AM   #36
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

Don't be fooled by bullshit in Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea or even Vietnam; the US was somewhat hindered by policy and public perception.

An all out for real WWIII would result in a fully unleashed US Army.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:22 PM   #37
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

Geez, judging by some of the responses it seems people actually want a war to happen.

Everyone would lose in such a war, especially since China holds so much of our debt and we have such a large trade deficit with them. We would see an immediate drop in living standards and that's not even counting the jump in real resources we will have to produce and allocate to cover the costs of another war.

Honestly, I'm sick and tired of hearing so much about these potential "wars". It's all propoganda, fear-mongering, and blame-placing to cover the problems of our own doing. It's almost like people want war to happen, to see people fantasizing about it (not singling out anyone in particular). Actually, all the looney republican candidates sans Ron Paul actually want it. We should have it so that people in favor of a war get sent out first if it ever happens.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:31 PM   #38
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

The era of war between powerful countries is over. Because of nukes, there would not be any winners in a world war. The planet would not resist.

But just for the fun of it, what about other countries? Who would they support?

We all know Nato would support US/UK, but what about Important countries with big military forces like Brazil, India and Pakistan?
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:46 PM   #39
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

While the USA has the most powerful military by far, once you reach a certain threshold of damage-doing capacity it doesn't really matter.

Russia and China both have many equipped nuclear submarines. In an all out war they have the capacity to completely lay waste to the entirety of the USA. Who cares who is more powerful, when each of them are powerful enough to annihilate each other?
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:49 PM   #40
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

USA, UK, Israel would win, but I would still wish Israel to lose anyway.
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:19 PM   #41
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

"Mutually assured destruction." We do have the smartest, strongest, best-armed military but when everyone is firing nukes everyone dies. Whichever side has the ability (if either side has the ability) to disarm the other's nuclear arsenal first is the victor, but I don't think anyone has that power. This could be why all members of the security council have veto power instead of a more democratic system, because you can't risk offending any of these countries.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:17 PM   #42
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"Mutually assured destruction." We do have the smartest, strongest, best-armed military but when everyone is firing nukes everyone dies. Whichever side has the ability (if either side has the ability) to disarm the other's nuclear arsenal first is the victor, but I don't think anyone has that power. This could be why all members of the security council have veto power instead of a more democratic system, because you can't risk offending any of these countries.

You're exactly right. A lot of people in this thread are seriously underestimating the number of ICBMs that Russia and China possess. They could absolutely obliterate this country. Furthermore, the US could not knock out its opponents' nuclear arsenals in a first strike, and the US also does not have the kind of missile defense system in place to protect itself from a massive nuclear assault. While the United States undoubtedly has a major conventional military edge over both the Chinese and Russians, it wouldn't matter at all the moment this war escalated to the point where a nuclear exchange became inevitable. The most likely result of this war: everybody loses.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:30 PM   #43
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

USA most likely......loses
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:20 PM   #44
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

I'm not sure some of you realize the scope of our Naval and especially out Air Forces. And I truly hope that no one ever will because that would mean a full scale war. And no one wants that.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:39 PM   #45
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Default Re: World War III. USA, UK, Israel vs China, Russia, Iran. Who wins?

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not sure if serious (add gif as necessary).

if it is fought on their soil, they have absolutely no chance of even challenging, let alone winning, they have no outward attacking ability, and the West can attack from all 4 directions as they have allies in all four directions.

bombs negate any numerical advantage, and with Western countries being basically untouched (due to the lack of forward attack from the CN/RU team) they can continue to churn out artillery at break neck speed.

ALSO

standing army aside, if the US and the UK had a draft, the numbers would approach equal very quickly.

There is NO WAY a China/Russia team could win this, their ceiling is holding off the west for an extended period of time inside their own borders.

Hardly world domination.

In WW2 the Germans and Japanese had serious amphibious capabilities and for long while superior air capabilities.

The Chinese and Russians have very few amphibious vehicles to transport troops and are at a serious air disadvantage.

but then again, if you think bunkering up in your own backyard and putting out human shield after human shield is a victory, then there is really no point in having a meaningful discussion about this.

On another note, I think the US would have a very hard time with implementing a draft even if it was truly required. Way too many people willing to tell the gov't to **** off. Especially if the US were to use nukes and kill millions of people.

I'm not sure about civil war exactly (especially if Russia/China are genuinely seen as the bad guys), but I believe we would see mass protestations against being drafted.

It would be interesting to see how the gov't would deal with it. You can't arrest them all. And the ones you do, are you gonna just imprison them, send them overseas and say "See ya later......IN HELLLLLLL!" lol

That would be a big scar on America's history.

But then again, this is an all out nuke war apparently, so I guess that would be far down the list of worries. lol
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