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Old 02-07-2012, 02:18 PM   #46
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You didn't watch basketball. During the first 11 games, Kyrie was the best player.

He played the first few games, got hurt, then came back at the end.

He was never the best player. He was the best prospect. There is a big difference.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:22 PM   #47
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Thanks for exposing yourself. Kyrie Irving didn't play the first 11 games.

You owned yourself you noob. Also Derrick Williams and Kemba Walker didn't happen huh?


Kyrie was good enough in college to be the consensus number one after only 11 games played. Nobody is denying Derrick Williams and Kemba had great seasons, but neither player is on Kyrie's level.
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Default Re: Kyrie v. Lebron's rookie years after 22 games

Now that I think about it I'd say LeBron's rookie season was only slightly better. The fact that Kyrie is playing as well as he is in a lockout shortened season with a reduced training camp and no summer league is ****ing impressive. Wow.
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Default Re: Kyrie v. Lebron's rookie years after 22 games

Last year everybody was using the Cavs' record to argue how terrible Lebron's supporting cast was in 2009-2011, although they had also lost Z, Shaq, Delonte, and Mo (first depression , then injury, then trade). But now that have a good floor leader, creator, and finisher in Kyrie, they are back to being "good, very solid players and defenders"

The fact is they were always good. Varejao and Mo are having career seasons, Delonte and Parker are pretty much the same, and obviously Jamison is not the same player he was two years ago, but that's due to him getting old.

They were built around Lebron's strengths, and when you took that main part out without replacing it with something decent, the whole thing fell apart (plus the injuries, trades, etc.).

Kyrie is not Lebron (not yet at least, and hopefully he will prove to be a "winner" instead), but he complements their supporting cast (which is weaker than the one Lebron had) just as well, if not better.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:30 PM   #50
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Kyrie was good enough in college to be the consensus number one after only 11 games played. Nobody is denying Derrick Williams and Kemba had great seasons, but neither player is on Kyrie's level.

Both were better college players. Which has nothing to do with going #1 overall. A concept you can't seem to grasp. Stubborn much? Cleveland took the kid with potential. Irving didn't dominate college. He played 11gms total. He could have played 0 an Cavs would have still drafted him
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Both were better college players. Which has nothing to do with going #1 overall. A concept you can't seem to grasp. Stubborn much? Cleveland took the kid with potential. Irving didn't dominate college. He played 11gms total. He could have played 0 an Cavs would have still drafted him





Do i really need to say anything here?
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Both were better college players. Which has nothing to do with going #1 overall. A concept you can't seem to grasp. Stubborn much? Cleveland took the kid with potential. Irving didn't dominate college. He played 11gms total. He could have played 0 an Cavs would have still drafted him

Irving dominated the 11 games he played in. Why is that so hard your to understand kid? Do u need me to write in crayon for you dumb dumb?
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Irving dominated the 11 games he played in. Why is that so hard your to understand kid? Do u need me to write in crayon for you dumb dumb?

No he didn't. In fact, many people think he made Dook worse off when he came back late in the year.
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Default Re: Kyrie v. Lebron's rookie years after 22 games

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No he didn't. In fact, many people think he made Dook worse off when he came back late in the year.

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Old 02-07-2012, 02:58 PM   #55
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Do i really need to say anything here?

Kemba Walker was a unanimous first team All American last year (also selected was Nolan Smith from DUKE). Kemba won Bob Cousy award for best PG in the nation amongst a host of other awards I know you have NO CLUE about. Top 10 finalist for the college player of the year award. Jimmer Fredette won the National Basketball player of the year by the way.

So where exactly do you see Kyrie Irving here? Kemba not only produced and carried his team. He was huge in big games and had some clutch moments that will be replayed this upcoming March Madness. Would you like a list of stuff or will you continue being stubborn?

But yes Kyrie Irving who played the first 8gms, got injured then 3 games where he didnt look as good as he did early in the season was somehow the best college basketball player because...he went #1 overall in the draft.

Notice you cant even explain or argue your silly position? Stubborn. Wear it jackass. Heehaww
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If there is such a thing as a freshman playing flawless basketball right now, Kyrie Irving would qualify for that outlandish statement.

Productive, efficient, unselfish, exciting—there's really no shortage of ways to describe the way Irving has performed thus far. He's managed to take a NCAA Tournament championship team—ranked as the best offense in college basketball—and make them even better, acting as their main facilitator, shot-maker and go-to guy. Dominant when needed, but still deferential enough to keep all of Duke's many other options happy (thus far), Irving has fit in as seamlessly as possible, making the transition to the NCAA-level look effortless.

a quote from a draftexpress report on him before he got injured

i think before he got hurt, people saw him as in the discussion as the best player in the country. among kemba, jimmer, sullinger, etc. That early in the season, especially in college, things are hazy.

no doubt about it, before he got hurt, he was among the best players in the country.

having said that, if he has played the whole year, i doubt he would have been as good as jimmer or kemba.
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Irving dominated the 11 games he played in. Why is that so hard your to understand kid? Do u need me to write in crayon for you dumb dumb?

No he didnt. You didnt watch college basketball.

The reason Kyrie went #1 is the same reason a HS goes #1. But you and 2 others are not bright enough to figure it out. Hilarious to me.
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a quote from a draftexpress report on him before he got injured

i think before he got hurt, people saw him as in the discussion as the best player in the country. among kemba, jimmer, sullinger, etc. That early in the season, especially in college, things are hazy.

no doubt about it, before he got hurt, he was among the best players in the country.

having said that, if he has played the whole year, i doubt he would have been as good as jimmer or kemba.

Not arguing he wasnt a good talent prior to injury. But I'm trying to tell the OP, your fellow Cavs fan member who claims he WAS the best college basketball player. And when asked how? He bases it off the fact he went #1 overall. Because you cant go #1 overall and not have been the best college basketball player in the country. Deep down he realizes his logic is flawed and inaccurate but he refuses to admit it because I'm the one who called him out on it. It'll kill him.
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Irving is good, but it seems to be a little bit of a reach for an article. Well, I mean, I guess it's a solid way to illustrate Irving's success thus far, but it seemed like a timely opportunity for the author to draw a comparison to James while it was still possible, for LeBron finished his rookie campaign averaging 21, 6, and 6, numbers I'd be quite surprised to see Irving come anywhere close to. Also, it seemed relatively convenient for the article's comparison box to only include the stats of their choice, leaving rebounds entirely out of the equation.

I really enjoyed watching LeBron lose in the Finals last year in spectacular fashion. Still, this is a strange article to me, where an author seems to pick and choose facts and supposed truths in order to bring his story together as he sees fit. Again, James went haywire against Dallas and Boston, but to cite his "fear of failure" almost like a statistic in itself also comes across a little ... off.
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Kemba Walker was a unanimous first team All American last year (also selected was Nolan Smith from DUKE). Kemba won Bob Cousy award for best PG in the nation amongst a host of other awards I know you have NO CLUE about. Top 10 finalist for the college player of the year award. Jimmer Fredette won the National Basketball player of the year by the way.

So where exactly do you see Kyrie Irving here? Kemba not only produced and carried his team. He was huge in big games and had some clutch moments that will be replayed this upcoming March Madness. Would you like a list of stuff or will you continue being stubborn?

But yes Kyrie Irving who played the first 8gms, got injured then 3 games where he didnt look as good as he did early in the season was somehow the best college basketball player because...he went #1 overall in the draft.

Notice you cant even explain or argue your silly position? Stubborn. Wear it jackass. Heehaww


You are the one making stupid statements not me. How stupid is it to say that being the number 1 overall pick has nothing to do with how good you were in college? That is what you are saying. Re-read that. And you are calling me stupid?


Kyrie's demonstrated in eleven games why he was the best player and why deserved first pick. What part of this don't you grasp? Derrick Williams and Kemba had great seasons, but their accomplishments weren't enough to convince scouts they were the best in the NCAA that year.

Diebler set records with his three point shooting last season. He was money the whole year. Diebler, by your retarded ass logic, is a better college player than Kyrie because he had a better season. Where is Diebler? Oh yeah, not drafted. Why is that? because he wasn't good enough by the NBA's standards.

So why did the NBA scouts unanimously anoint Kyrie as number one? BECAUSE HE WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NCAA LAST SEASON, PERIOD.
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