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Old 02-08-2012, 10:39 AM   #31
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04 Spurs 94.1
99 Spurs 95.0
04 Pistons 95.4
01 Spurs 98.0
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
00 Suns 99.0
04 Rockets 99.0
02 Nets 99.5
01 Kings 99.6
04 Twolves 99.7
02 Spurs 99.7
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93 Knicks 99.7
97 Heat 100.6

00 Blazers 100.8
02 Kings 101.1
98 Pacers 101.6
08 Spurs 101.8
01 Blazers 101.8
09 Magic 101.9
00 Kings 102.1

MJ vs 97 Heat

Game 1 15 for 31
Game 2 4 for 15
Game 3 14 for 25
Game 4 9 for 35
Game 5 11 for 31

MJ vs 93 Knicks

Game 1 10 for 27
Game 2 12 for 32
Game 3 3 for 18
Game 4 18 for 30
Game 5 11 for 24
Game 6 8 for 24

Amazing how inefficient Jordan was the couple of times he faced defensive teams on the same level that Kobe faced regularly



The Jordan era is the juiced era of basketball. His numbers are inflated subpar defense being played.
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Old 02-08-2012, 10:42 AM   #32
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What? There's a difference between quiting in the offseason and quitting in a game.

Yeah one is human nature and has happened to every single player in the NBA with a brain and an ability to look at the time remaining in the game and determine if they have any chance of winning the game.

The other is leaving your teammates and fans high and dry so you can play with the ants in the outfield.

The Bulls made the ECF without Jordan. He cost his teammates a title for that nonsense.

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Old 02-08-2012, 10:53 AM   #33
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Yeah one is human nature and has happened to every single player in the NBA with a brain and an ability to look at the time remaining in the game and determine if they have any chance of winning the game.

The other is leaving your teammates and fans high and dry so you can play with the ants in the outfield.

The Bulls made the ECF without Jordan. He cost his teammates a title for that nonsense.

Wow this is the dumbest sh*t I've ever heard. The Lakers were down 15 at the end of the first half. They weren't done at that point. Kobe gave up and quit in the middle of a game. Thats completely disrespectful.

On the other hand, every player has a perfectly acceptable right to retire in the offseason if they don't feel like they can play anymore. What do you expect him to do? Play even if he doesn't feel like it anymore just for his teammates and a check?
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Old 02-08-2012, 10:58 AM   #34
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04 Spurs 94.1
99 Spurs 95.0
04 Pistons 95.4
01 Spurs 98.0
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
00 Suns 99.0
04 Rockets 99.0
02 Nets 99.5
01 Kings 99.6
04 Twolves 99.7
02 Spurs 99.7
03 Spurs 99.7
93 Knicks 99.7
97 Heat 100.6

00 Blazers 100.8
02 Kings 101.1
98 Pacers 101.6
08 Spurs 101.8
01 Blazers 101.8
09 Magic 101.9
00 Kings 102.1

MJ vs 97 Heat

Game 1 15 for 31
Game 2 4 for 15
Game 3 14 for 25
Game 4 9 for 35
Game 5 11 for 31

MJ vs 93 Knicks

Game 1 10 for 27
Game 2 12 for 32
Game 3 3 for 18
Game 4 18 for 30
Game 5 11 for 24
Game 6 8 for 24

Amazing how inefficient Jordan was the couple of times he faced defensive teams on the same level that Kobe faced regularly



The Jordan era is the juiced era of basketball. His numbers are inflated subpar defense being played.

YOu're forgetting one thing.....

The rules were different.

Prime MJ vs the Pistons and Celtics Kobe faced, would've been a better result than Kobe's performances under today's rules.
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:04 AM   #35
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Ahahaha here comes that defensive rating idiot!
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:12 AM   #36
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I love how that moron posts his defensive ratings after being thoroughly exposed about them in another thread.

Most of the teams today that you see with a "GREAT" DRtg are so inept offensively it takes them 90% of the shot clock to run their plays (most if it is isolation garbage anyway). Of course you see less possessions.
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:12 AM   #37
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Ahahaha here comes that defensive rating idiot!

Jordan mythologists love stats until you point how bad statistically the defenses Jordan faced were

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I love how that moron continues to post defensive ratings after being completely exposed about them in another thread.

Most of the teams today that you see with a "GREAT" DRtg are so inept offensively it takes them 90% of the shot clock to run their plays (most if it is isolation garbage anyway). Of course you see less possessions.

I'm exposed by people who don't even know what it means?

Its not a points per game measure, its points per possession.
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04 Spurs 94.1
99 Spurs 95.0
04 Pistons 95.4
01 Spurs 98.0
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
00 Suns 99.0
04 Rockets 99.0
02 Nets 99.5
01 Kings 99.6
04 Twolves 99.7
02 Spurs 99.7
03 Spurs 99.7
93 Knicks 99.7
97 Heat 100.6

00 Blazers 100.8
02 Kings 101.1
98 Pacers 101.6
08 Spurs 101.8
01 Blazers 101.8
09 Magic 101.9
00 Kings 102.1

MJ vs 97 Heat

Game 1 15 for 31
Game 2 4 for 15
Game 3 14 for 25
Game 4 9 for 35
Game 5 11 for 31

MJ vs 93 Knicks

Game 1 10 for 27
Game 2 12 for 32
Game 3 3 for 18
Game 4 18 for 30
Game 5 11 for 24
Game 6 8 for 24

Amazing how inefficient Jordan was the couple of times he faced defensive teams on the same level that Kobe faced regularly



The Jordan era is the juiced era of basketball. His numbers are inflated subpar defense being played.




And yet, using those SAME DEFENSIVE RATING metrics....the 2003 Wizards would be considered a better defensive team than the 1991 Chicago Bulls, who had 2 of the best defenders of all-time, and a great defensive player in Horace Grant.

The only thing different about the defense of the 2000's and the late 80's, early 90's are the rules(WEAKER in 2000's), 3-point shooting, and GAME PACE....the eFG% of the eras is nearly IDENTICAL, with the 2000's having 2 seasons over 50%eFG.



NOW SIT DOWN SON....
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:17 AM   #40
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Wow this is the dumbest sh*t I've ever heard. The Lakers were down 15 at the end of the first half. They weren't done at that point. Kobe gave up and quit in the middle of a game. Thats completely disrespectful.

On the other hand, every player has a perfectly acceptable right to retire in the offseason if they don't feel like they can play anymore. What do you expect him to do? Play even if he doesn't feel like it anymore just for his teammates and a check?

I don't know I seem to think quitting a season and a half worth of games and costing your teammates a good chance of two titles is greater than quitting 15 mins of a game when a team is going nowhere.

I imagine if Pippen instead of Jordan was the player fooling around with the Barons the mythologists would have a different spin on it.
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Jordan mythologists love stats until you point how bad statistically the defenses Jordan faced were


Using a stat in the wrong context shows just how little you understand. Your argument has been crushed awhile back I don't know why you insist on using it.
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And yet, using those SAME DEFENSIVE RATING metrics....the 2003 Wizards would be considered a better defensive team than the 1991 Chicago Bulls, who had 2 of the best defenders of all-time, and a great defensive player in Horace Grant.

The only thing different about the defense of the 2000's and the late 80's, early 90's are the rules(WEAKER in 2000's), 3-point shooting, and GAME PACE....the eFG% of the eras is nearly IDENTICAL, with the 2000's having 2 seasons over 50%eFG.



NOW SIT DOWN SON....

Why did the 2003 Wizards give up less points per possession than the 1991 Bulls?
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Using a stat in the wrong context shows just how little you understand. Your argument has been crushed awhile back I don't know why you insist on using it.

Amazing how the context and era suddenly become important around here for this stat but not for any offensive stats coming from the same era. Keep the inflated offensive stats ignored the inflated defensive stats.

You guys are like a broken record of excuses. I wish you would have a meeting so you could come up with a consistent logical viewpoint.
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I'm exposed by people who don't even know what it means?

Its not a points per game measure, its points per possession.

You were exposed on how possessions work in that other thread as well, genius. You started your flawed premise here about a year ago, and yet continue to make fool out of yourself based on a premise that's easily exposed by people who watch, play and understand the game.
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Why did the 2003 Wizards give up less points per possession than the 1991 Bulls?



The 1995-1996 Chicago Bulls, considered one of the GREATEST DEFENSIVE TEAMS of ALL-TIME with MJ, Pippen, Rodman, and Harper.....had a D-Rating of 101.8.....Just in the year 2000 alone, there were 9 TEAMS with a D-Rating better than that, LOL!!!! DEEERRRRRR!!!!


PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN SON, you can't win over common sense.
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