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Old 02-13-2012, 06:43 PM   #31
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Default Re: Please God watch over Derrick Rose's back

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Spoken like someone who didn't watch the NBA before Rose

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1 is a very unlucky jersey number see Penny Hardaway and Tracy Mcgrady.
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Old 02-13-2012, 06:55 PM   #32
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Default Re: Please God watch over Derrick Rose's back

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Deng vs Heat in the 2007 playoffs (without Rose): 26.3 ppg on 44-76 .579% in a firstround sweep. Guy crushed Wade. His lowest scoring game that series was 22 pts; his worst shooting performance was .529%.

These kinda things can happen when teammates pass you the ball.


No, it's what happens when you don't have a leg injury and become a timid player who can no longer take his defender off the dribble very well.
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Old 02-13-2012, 07:09 PM   #33
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That's not the only sample size I used, moron. Both players P/DP are correlated.

Teams that the Bulls played without Rose:
Wizards
Grizzlies
Suns
Cavs
Bobcats (twice)
Celtics

Teams that the Bulls played without Deng:
Nets
Pacers
Bucks
Heat
Sixers
Knicks


So the Bulls won all of their games against sub .500 teams when Rose was not playing. Two of them were the Charlotte Bobcats, AKA the worst team in the league. Their two losses come from Memphis and Boston, where both teams were in control the ENTIRE game. Why? Because the offense is ran completely different with Rose out of the game. The set offensive plays are not as efficient. There is no longer an improved pick and roll attack, instead a bunch of broken plays.

The teams that the Bulls lost to with Deng are the Pacers, Heat and Sixers. The Pacers and Heat game were both pretty close, and I think if Deng played they would have had a better chance to win those obviously. He is a better player then Brewer and Korver.

The point in this? Showing a W-L column with those two out doesn't show which player is more important. Watch the games, notice the differences. The Bulls do not play better without Rose, and they do not play infinitely worse without Deng.

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Once again, you're wrong. Last year the offense WAS carried by Rose. Poor shooting nights that resulted in wins does not negate that. There was often very stagnate off ball movement, poor penetration from everyone but Rose, poor pick and roll/pop plays from Noah/Boozer and also Rose. There was also horrible offensive connection with Noah and Boozer together. They would both try to sit on the same side of the paint and completely clog it, resulting in poor spacing. Also, they had Keith ****ing Bogans starting at the 2 who would literally walk over to the corner and sit.
The team won with resilient effort and tough, gritty defense AND Rose's ability to create scoring and offense.

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Check the numbers, are you gonna list Rose's numbers and have me assume the Bulls cant score without him? THEY CAN. He's had horrible shooting nights where his team still pulled through.
Yes, while he was still scoring 20 or so points a game. The Bulls offense was horrendous last year, they won a lot of ugly games. The whole team was shooting bad and Rose had a bum ankle, especially in the playoffs. Soooo what is your point here? Are you going to actually post something that correlates with your argument?

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Old 02-13-2012, 07:54 PM   #34
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Default Re: Please God watch over Derrick Rose's back

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What if he turns into Tmac because of all the back problems


I don't think God gives a shit about a basketball players back spasms.
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Old 02-13-2012, 07:55 PM   #35
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Teams that the Bulls played without Rose:
Wizards
Grizzlies
Suns
Cavs
Bobcats (twice)
Celtics

Teams that the Bulls played without Deng:
Nets
Pacers
Bucks
Heat
Sixers
Knicks


Yes, because the Knicks, Bucks and Nets are all world beaters. None of these teams are contenders and if the playoffs started today, they wouldn't qualify (NY is an 8th seed, no thanks to Melo/Amare, but when Chicago played them they were still considered 'dysfunctional').

The Bulls WITHOUT Deng also played the Wizards. You conveniently left that out. I won't counter all that other drivel because I know its filled with hyperbole, lies and excuses just like this post.

You're not carrying anything when you have a heap of games shooting in the 30 percentile range.
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Old 02-13-2012, 07:56 PM   #36
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I think Luol Deng may be more important to the Bulls than D-Rose. Chicago acutally plays great without Rose.

18-5 w/ him; 5-1 w/o him
19-3 w/ Deng; 4-3 w/o Deng

Doesn't mean Deng is better, but they are the facts. I said LAST YEAR that Rose was overrated, and getting WAY too much credit, and that the Bulls were loaded (they hang their hat on D). Rose can play, dude is obviously one of the best players in the game, I know that - but dont ever doubt the impact of LUOL DENG. I was proven right again. Rose was NOT carrying the team like people thought.
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Old 02-13-2012, 08:06 PM   #37
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Default Re: Please God watch over Derrick Rose's back

God got starving africans to feed he aint got time to watch over d-rose's back
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Old 02-13-2012, 08:10 PM   #38
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Default Re: Please God watch over Derrick Rose's back

I do think it's interesting that Rose picked up weight training over the off season and now he's having injury troubles. I know it's probably due to the condensed season but sometimes I think NBA players overdue the weight training when they could probably be just as effective doing a prison-style workout.
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Old 02-13-2012, 09:59 PM   #39
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D-Rose's back has no "structural damage," reportedly.

Read here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=9250
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Old 02-13-2012, 10:04 PM   #40
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Default Re: Please God watch over Derrick Rose's back

The problem with Rose's back is the way how he gets to the basket. There's going to be an age where he won't be able to contort his body like that.

Good to see Rose safe.
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Old 02-13-2012, 10:08 PM   #41
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Another Penny Hardaway / Grant Hill / T-mac situation?

j/k He will be fine
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Old 02-13-2012, 10:08 PM   #42
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Default Re: Please God watch over Derrick Rose's back

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Deng is a product of Rose. He only is good when Rose is in the game because Rose draws so much attention. Deng can't do much by himself.
Deng was basically their franchise corner stone like half a decade back lol.

Remember the Baby Bulls ?
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Old 02-13-2012, 10:21 PM   #43
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It's childish and petty and selfish, but Derrick Rose's back is in my prayers
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