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Old 02-22-2012, 02:27 PM   #16
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About 8 of the 10 posts have been from Kobe fanboi's...who don't think the Lakers get better. Shocking! Forget about Jordan's superior playmaking, scoring, defense and leadership; LA CANT get better because of Kobe. Makes sense.
kobe and jordan are both f,aggots

with jordan the lakers are better for sure because he better team player. they make it to 2nd round but lose. jordan cant win shit without jackson same with kobe. kobe loses in first round jordan in 2nd this lakers team with mike brown sucks
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:29 PM   #17
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With Bynum and Gasol by his side, he would be a potential winner. People seem to forget that there are 2 all stars besides Kobe in that team.
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Old 02-22-2012, 02:33 PM   #18
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A slight improvement over LA's current record, nothing significant. In MJ they're getting someone who's more consistent and a better closer, so they would perform better in close games. All of LA's problems - lack of perimeter playmaking beyond Kobe, lack of perimeter shooting, Brown's offensive ineptness - would still persist.

I can agree with this. Jordan's play in crunch time would be crucial. The Lakers have been in a handful of close games this year, losing about 5 of them iirc.

Because of his hustle, I'm not nure the Lakers don't get better on the perimeter. You can totally see Artest becoming a defensive juggernaut under Mike's wing.
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:03 PM   #19
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I know you kobe fans are gonna hate me for this, but I feel they're about a good 5-6 games better with 97 jordan replacing kobe. Think of how many bad games kobes had thus far. Or I should say bad shooting nights. I see jordan being far more consistent.

Jordan was also a better team player at that stage of his career and thus would've allowed bynum to thrive cuz he would've looked for him more
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:12 PM   #20
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Don't know, but he went 27-11 without Pippen to start the 98 season. 97 Jordan was a beast. Here's a scouting report that I was told the Knicks had on him before their 96 playoff matchup.

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Jordan was relentless. He would have put so much pressure on opposing defenses. And he would have two talented 7 footers to get easy baskets and rebounds in a league lacking in 7 footers.

Again, he went 27-11 without Pippen and his only "7 footer" being jump shooting Bill Wennington.
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Old 02-22-2012, 05:05 PM   #21
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20-12 record with 97 Jordan thus far in the season. Jordan would be averaging a similar amount of shots as Kobe per game, probably around 29 much like Kobe, possibly .3 more apg, and a slightly higher efficiency (probably around 47-48% with no one able to facilitate to Jordan in his sweet spots). Not much difference in team impact...in fact Jordan would probably frustrate team chemistry albeit slightly. This Lakers team lacks depth and although the big 3 is great....you need more than that.

I say Kobe's lakers face a second round exit and I see Jordan's lakers taking on the same fate.

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Old 02-22-2012, 05:18 PM   #22
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MJ= Leadership and respect

He'd maintain 'control' of the team off the court, something Kobe has never been able to do. What MJ would bring on the court would be 'consistency' again... something that Kobe has never done.

For all of Kobe's individual scoring gifts, he never seemed to have control of the team. And most of that is exhibited in their inconsistent play.

Throughout the seasons, Kobe led teams have been on a roller coaster ride on and off the court. They have moments of greatness, they almost seem unstoppable. Yet those very same teams with the same players look lost and they go on losing streaks. Another Kobe staple, is leading teams that play down to their competition. We've seen Kobe led teams play up for the good teams, yet look pathetic or struggle vs the bad ones.

MJ would bring consistency to the Lakers, and accountability for each player on the floor.
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Old 02-22-2012, 05:22 PM   #23
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97 Jordan has played like literally half the minutes current Kobe has, and in 97 the 3 point line was short. Now that Kobe's wrist is healed we'll see him take it to another level.
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I actually think they get worse. The worst thing about the Lakers right now is, they can't hit any outside shots, which is one of the few things Kobe is clearly better at than Jordan. The other differences in their games are too small to actually make a change overall.
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Default Re: '97 Jordan with the 2012 Lakers

For all of those people saying MJ would avg the same amount of shots...

If he did, he'd be shooting a higher percentage because he doesn't force as many bad shots. He'd also play within the offense and not go out of it as much as Kobe (naturally, there's times when they have to do so).

Mj is also better at reading double teams, and making decisions and executing. Give MJ Pau or Bynum and they become a fav to win the title. Again... Mj is better at executing than Kobe, he won't dribble, dribble, dribble, wait for the double and shoot. He'd react instantaneously keeping the defense on its toes, dishing to Bynum and Gasol for easy buckets.

People keep forgetting that Mj never played with a big men close to their caliber. MJ was their post player, he dominated the paint, not Luc, not Will, not Bill (either one), he did. Give MJ anybody near an all star caliber big man and the team turns into a contender.

Imagine Pau, MJ and Bynum together?

Scary for the league.

Oh.. and we haven't even began talking about MJ's defensive impact.
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Old 02-22-2012, 05:52 PM   #26
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97 Jordan has played like literally half the minutes current Kobe has
And was producing better ???

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and in 97 the 3 point line was short.
It wasn't significantly shorter, and even then ... who cares? MJ wasn't jacking 3's to get his points.

And even when the 3 point line was at it's current distance, he got better and better at it every season he played. It's not like the man couldn't knock them in when the defense was letting him take them.

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Now that Kobe's wrist is healed we'll see him take it to another level.
How did that wrist magically heal? It was such an injury they said it would take sometime to come back from and heal.

Was it not as serious as made out to be to start the season?

Probably.
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Old 02-22-2012, 06:03 PM   #27
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I actually think they get worse. The worst thing about the Lakers right now is, they can't hit any outside shots, which is one of the few things Kobe is clearly better at than Jordan. The other differences in their games are too small to actually make a change overall.
The threepoint shooting between kobe and jordan is only a 1% difference. And kobe avg is declining. I remember someone bring up the point that if you were to elimnate the first few years of jordan career when the three point shot was not used, and eliminated the 2 years the line was moved in, jordan has a higher percentage.
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97 Jordan has played like literally half the minutes current Kobe has

WTF?

Including college, by the end of the '96 season(age 33), MJ had played 38509 minutes. Kobe by the end of last season(almost 33) had played 48310. Yeah, literally half
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I'm pretty sure his teammates would play better and Lakers would be top teams in NBA.

If i remember correctly, Jordan started season without Pippen, Rodman was playing poor so Jackson started Jason Caffey in starting line up.

Jordan,Harper,Longley,Kukoc,Caffey/Rodman won 24-11 before Pippen came back.

And they started like 8-7.. after early struggle it makes 16-4. He was 35 years old with index finger injury at that time.

Dont tell me Harper,Longley,Kukoc & Caffey were much better than Gasol,Bynum,Fisher,Artest.
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I'm pretty sure his teammates would play better and Lakers would be top teams in NBA.

If i remember correctly, Jordan started season without Pippen, Rodman was playing poor so Jackson started Jason Caffey in starting line up.

Jordan,Harper,Longley,Kukoc,Caffey/Rodman won 24-11 before Pippen came back.

And they started like 8-7.. after early struggle it 16-4. He was 35 years old with index finger injury at that time.

Dont tell me Harper,Longley,Kukoc & Caffey were much better than Gasol,Bynum,Fisher,Artest.

Oops. I said 27-11. You're right. They were 24-11.
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