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Old 02-24-2012, 03:31 PM   #16
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Michael Jordan 1990 season:

33.6ppg on 52.6%FG, 37.6% 3FG, 84.8%FT,6.9 rebs, 6.3 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.7 blocks, 3 turnovers.....55% EFG.

POST SEASON: (16 games)

36.7ppg on 51.4%FG, 32.0% 3FG, 83.6%FT, 7.2 rebs. 6.8 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.9 blocks, 3.5 turnovers....53.3% eFG%.


Took the Bulls to Game 7 vs. the eventual champion Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals....good chance of advancing to the Finals and beating Portland who struggled against the Pistons losing 4 out of 5 games.....unfortunately Jordan was the only one who showed up as the Bulls turned in one of the greatest choke jobs in NBA history:

Box score of that game here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...006030DET.html

Jordan put this team of young players on his back and and carried them as far as anyone could, only to be FAILED when the pressure was at its peak...a downer to one of the greatest seasons performed in history.


And Jordan wasn't even voted MVP this season....
Yeah he was hungry that year.
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Michael Jordan 1990 season:

33.6ppg on 52.6%FG, 37.6% 3FG, 84.8%FT,6.9 rebs, 6.3 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.7 blocks, 3 turnovers.....55% EFG.

POST SEASON: (16 games)

36.7ppg on 51.4%FG, 32.0% 3FG, 83.6%FT, 7.2 rebs. 6.8 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.9 blocks, 3.5 turnovers....53.3% eFG%.


Took the Bulls to Game 7 vs. the eventual champion Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals....good chance of advancing to the Finals and beating Portland who struggled against the Pistons losing 4 out of 5 games.....unfortunately Jordan was the only one who showed up as the Bulls turned in one of the greatest choke jobs in NBA history:

Box score of that game here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...006030DET.html

Jordan put this team of young players on his back and and carried them as far as anyone could, only to be FAILED when the pressure was at its peak...a downer to one of the greatest seasons performed in history.


And Jordan wasn't even voted MVP this season....

sounds very familiar to Lebron's 2009 season to me...
Only Lebron is hated for losing to Magic as opposed to being praised for his amazing play. Gotta love them double standards I guess
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Which makes the nine assist that much more impressive. Shaq's best year had weaker centers than Wilt's era and Jordan had little comp at SG in his best years as well - only like two or three guys.
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Which makes the nine assist that much more impressive. Shaq's best year had weaker centers than Wilt's era and Jordan had little comp at SG in his best years as well - only like two or three guys.
Not even close

name me players 7'0" 230 lbs that played more than 2 seasons in Wilt's era
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Not even close

name me players 7'0" 230 lbs that played more than 2 seasons in Wilt's era
You have your own thread about it. Go, bump it. Leave this thread.
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Which makes the nine assist that much more impressive. Shaq's best year had weaker centers than Wilt's era and Jordan had little comp at SG in his best years as well - only like two or three guys.


Jordan had little comp. at any position so what's your point?? There were plenty of capable scorers at the 2-guard...not 30ppg type guys, but 20+. Besides Jordan did a big chunk of his scoring on the help defense attacking the basket.
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1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain:

The Greatest Regular Season in NBA History.

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Season Age Tm G MP FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% TRB AST PF PTS 1961-62 25 PHW 80 48.5 20.0 39.5 .506 10.4 17.0 .613 25.7 2.4 1.5 50.4

1st team all NBA
#1 in minutes played, 3,882 Next best is Oscar Robertson, 3,503 (+379)
#1 in field goals: 1,597 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 973 (+624)
#1 in field goal attempts: 3,159 Next best is Bob Pettit, 1,928 (+1,231)
#2 in field goal pct: .505 Exceeded by Walt Bellamy, .519 - Next Best is Jack Twyman, .479
#1 in free throws: 835 Next best is Jerry West, 712 (+123)
#1 in free throw attempts: 1,363 Next best is Jerry West, 926 (+437)
#1 in total rebounds: 2,052 Next best is Bill Russell, 1,790 (+262)
#1 in points: 4,029 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 2,495 (+1,534)
#1 in minutes per game: 48.5 Next best is Bill Russell, 45.2 (+3.3)
#1 in points per game: 50.4 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 31.6 (+20.3)
#1 in rebounds per game: 25.7 Next best is Bill Russell, 23.6 (+2.1)
#1 in player efficiency rating: 31.8 Next best is Elgin Baylor, 26.5 (+5.3)
#4 in true shooting percentage: .536 The leader is Walt Bellamy, .554
#2 in effective field goal percentage: .506 Behind Walt bellamy, .519
#1 in offensive win shares: 17.1 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 13.4 (+3.7)
#2 in defensive win shares: 6.0 Behind Bill Russell, 11.6
#1 in win shares: 23.1 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 16.3 (+6.8)
#1 in win shares per 48 minutes: .286 Next best is Walt Bellamy, .283 (+.53)

The rift between him and the "next best" from his own, or any other era, is so wide most NBA fans won't even accept his accolades... It's a mind boggling gap between him and then the next-best superstars of his era and that season. The #'s themselves don't translate directly to today's game, but the disparity, no matter how you look at it, is what's amazing.



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Jordan's 1991 season:

Regular season: 31.5 pts/6.0 reb/5.5 ast/2.7 stl/1.0 blk/54% FG/61% TS/31.6 PER/20.3 Win Shares in just 37.0 mpg

Playoffs: 31.1 pts/6.4 reb/8.4 ast/2.5 stl/1.3 blk/52.4% FG/60% TS/32.0 PER/4.8 Win Shares

Finals: 31.2 pts/6.7 reb/11.4 ast/2.8 stl/1.4 blk/56% FG/66.4% TS

Won MVP, Finals MVP along with his first championship. Member of the All-NBA first team and Defensive First Team. Absurd defensive impact and efficiency in both the regular and postseasons. Had perhaps the best Finals performance of all time (at worst top 5). To this day, 1991 Jordan is the standard for excellence for a perimeter player.
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It's a damn shame that the Bulls didn't make the Finals that year.

I consider this season Jordan's best non-finals making playoff run...

If Pippen and Grant didn't shit the bed in that game 7 vs. Detroit, the Bulls would have won the title. They would have destroyed Portland.

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Michael Jordan 1990 season:

33.6ppg on 52.6%FG, 37.6% 3FG, 84.8%FT,6.9 rebs, 6.3 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.7 blocks, 3 turnovers.....55% EFG.

POST SEASON: (16 games)

36.7ppg on 51.4%FG, 32.0% 3FG, 83.6%FT, 7.2 rebs. 6.8 assists, 2.8 steals, 0.9 blocks, 3.5 turnovers....53.3% eFG%.


Took the Bulls to Game 7 vs. the eventual champion Detroit Pistons in the Eastern Conference Finals....good chance of advancing to the Finals and beating Portland who struggled against the Pistons losing 4 out of 5 games.....unfortunately Jordan was the only one who showed up as the Bulls turned in one of the greatest choke jobs in NBA history:

Box score of that game here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...006030DET.html

Jordan put this team of young players on his back and and carried them as far as anyone could, only to be FAILED when the pressure was at its peak...a downer to one of the greatest seasons performed in history.


And Jordan wasn't even voted MVP this season....

1990 was Jordan at his most individually dominant imo. Some highlights:

Averaged 36.8 pts/8.0 reb/7.0 ast/2.5 stl/1.0 blk/54% FG versus Milwaukee and two of the best defenders in the league (former DPOY and multiple-time defensive first-teamer Alvin Robertson and multiple defensive first-team member Paul Pressey).

Averaged 43.0 pts/6.6 reb/7.4 ast/4.0 stl/1.2 blk/55% FG vs. Philly, including 3 straight games of 45+ points, with 45/49/45 in consecutive games. The 49-point game included a furious 26-point 4th quarter barrage by Jordan to bring the Bulls within 1 point with a minute or so left.

Averaged 32.1 pts/7.1 reb/6.3 ast/2.1 stl/.6 blk/47% FG vs. Detroit and their vaunted "Jordan Rules" defense, while being guarded alternately by two multiple-time defensive first teamers (and the DPOY) in Rodman and Dumars and enduring constant double and triple teams as his teammates proved ineffectual in the series. Nearly led a vastly less talented team past the Bad Boy Pistons with his supporting cast playing like garbage (Pippen averaged something like 14/7/4/43% FG this series, and Pippen and Grant combined to go 4-27 from the field in the deciding game 7 - in fact, the entire team outside of Jordan shot just 23% that game. Jordan recorded 31 pts/8 reb/9 ast; the amazing part is that despite assisting on 9 of Chicago's 15 FG's, he would have had 12+ assists had numerous passes in the second half/4th quarter for easy layups inside not been botched by his teammates. They were shook. His defensive impact was enormous this series, as was his passing/playmaking. One of his best series ever despite the less gaudy numbers.

Jordan's 1990 postseason is the most dominant a perimeter player has ever been in terms of overall impact in the playoffs, followed closely by (or equaled by) his 1991 playoff campaign.

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If Pippen and Grant didn't shit the bed in that game 7 vs. Detroit, the Bulls would have won the title. They would have destroyed Portland.



1990 was Jordan at his most individually dominant imo. Some highlights:

Averaged 36.8 pts/8.0 reb/7.0 ast/2.5 stl/1.0 blk/54% FG versus Milwaukee and two of the best defenders in the league (former DPOY and multiple-time defensive first-teamer Alvin Robertson and multiple defensive first-team member Paul Pressey).

Averaged 43.0 pts/6.6 reb/7.4 ast/4.0 stl/1.2 blk/55% FG vs. Philly, including 3 straight games of 45+ points, with 45/49/45 in consecutive games. The 49-point game included a furious 26-point 4th quarter barrage by Jordan to bring the Bulls within 1 point with a minute or so left.

Averaged 32.1 pts/7.1 reb/6.3 ast/2.1 stl/.6 blk/47% FG vs. Detroit and their vaunted "Jordan Rules" defense, while being guarded alternately by two multiple-time defensive first teamers (and the DPOY) in Rodman and Dumars and enduring constant double and triple teams as his teammates proved ineffectual in the series. Nearly led a vastly less talented team past the Bad Boy Pistons with his supporting cast playing like garbage (Pippen averaged something like 14/7/4/43% FG this series, and Pippen and Grant combined to go 4-27 from the field in the deciding game 7 - in fact, the entire team outside of Jordan shot just 23% that game. Jordan recorded 31 pts/8 reb/9 ast; the amazing part is that despite assisting on 9 of Chicago's 15 FG's, he would have had 12+ assists had numerous passes in the second half/4th quarter for easy layups inside not been botched by his teammates. They were shook. His defensive impact was enormous this series, as was his passing/playmaking. One of his best series ever despite the less gaudy numbers.

Jordan's 1990 postseason is the most dominant a perimeter player has ever been in terms of overall impact in the playoffs, followed closely by (or equaled by) his 1991 playoff campaign.


NO DOUBT....This was supposed to be the year the Bulls got past the Pistons, with Pippen and Grant in their 3rd years and STARTING to come of age. They were one of the most dangerous teams in the league as far as beating anybody on any given night. The pressure taking on the Pistons in The Palace in a pressure-packed game 7 was too much for the Bulls to handle, save for Jordan, who looked like he was on an island out there. I think i can still feel the INTENSITY of the series.


The young kids today don't realize, after this loss Jordan took so much shit, a little short of the scrutiny Lebron gets now...."Jordan is not a winner, he can't lead a team to a champioship....He's a great individual talent, but his his style isn't conducive to winning championships."


And like Jordan, Lebron still has LOTS of time to prove his naysayers wrong.
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Not even close

name me players 7'0" 230 lbs that played more than 2 seasons in Wilt's era



Deuce, before you decide to ejaculate all over another thread that mentions Wilt Chamberlain, tie a plastic bag tightly around your head and wait 10 minutes.

Anyone over 6'10 qualifies as 7'0 in today's NBA.
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Listed weights are not reality.
In 1989, David Robinson was listed at 235lbs but at the Olympics he was weighed and found to be only 227lbs. Eventually he weighed more, obviously but at the time his list weight was actually exaggerated. Wilt Chamberlain was listed 275 in 1964 (and for the rest of his career) but when he stepped on the locker room scale in 1964 mid-season, it reads 292. hmmmm......... Bill Russell was listed a flat out unrealistic 215 for his entire career - in 1967 he openly talks about his increased weight progression up to 235, and in the off-seasons he weighed 240. Those vintage players in particular were listed via their draft weight's when they were skinny rookies. None of them stayed that weight, all of them gained weight especially playing in the post - some of them gained a massive amount of weight.

ALL 31 of these men played Wilt for 2 seasons or more, are 7'0 tall by modern NBA standards, and exceeded 230lbs.

*Nate Thurmond (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walt Bellamy (HOF)
*Kareem Abdul Jabbar (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Tom Boerwinkle
*Ray Felix
*Bill Russell (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walter Dukes
*Swede Halbrook
*Darrell Imhoff
*Bevo Nordman
*Mel Counts
*Jon Thompson
*Joe Strawder
*Reggie Harding
*Jim Fox
*Rich Niemen
*Dick Cunningham
*Dale Schlueter
*Dave Newmark
*Luther Rackley
*Otto Moore
*Neal Walk
*Greg Filmore
*Dennis Awtry
*George Johnson
*Bob Christian
*Tom Black
*Sam Lacey
*Bob Lanier (HOF)
*Elmore Smith
*Jim McDaniels
*William Smith


And dozens more were at least as tall as Dwight Howard, that also exceeded 230lbs.

FAIL

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Jordan had little comp. at any position so what's your point?? There were plenty of capable scorers at the 2-guard...not 30ppg type guys, but 20+. Besides Jordan did a big chunk of his scoring on the help defense attacking the basket.

I said Jordan before you did - look at the thread. I was making a point to dunce biggie but out of respect to Odinn I won't go there.
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1961-62 Wilt Chamberlain:

The Greatest Regular Season in NBA History.

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Season Age Tm G MP FG FGA FG% FT FTA FT% TRB AST PF PTS 1961-62 25 PHW 80 48.5 20.0 39.5 .506 10.4 17.0 .613 25.7 2.4 1.5 50.4

1st team all NBA
#1 in minutes played, 3,882 Next best is Oscar Robertson, 3,503 (+379)
#1 in field goals: 1,597 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 973 (+624)
#1 in field goal attempts: 3,159 Next best is Bob Pettit, 1,928 (+1,231)
#2 in field goal pct: .505 Exceeded by Walt Bellamy, .519 - Next Best is Jack Twyman, .479
#1 in free throws: 835 Next best is Jerry West, 712 (+123)
#1 in free throw attempts: 1,363 Next best is Jerry West, 926 (+437)
#1 in total rebounds: 2,052 Next best is Bill Russell, 1,790 (+262)
#1 in points: 4,029 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 2,495 (+1,534)
#1 in minutes per game: 48.5 Next best is Bill Russell, 45.2 (+3.3)
#1 in points per game: 50.4 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 31.6 (+20.3)
#1 in rebounds per game: 25.7 Next best is Bill Russell, 23.6 (+2.1)
#1 in player efficiency rating: 31.8 Next best is Elgin Baylor, 26.5 (+5.3)
#4 in true shooting percentage: .536 The leader is Walt Bellamy, .554
#2 in effective field goal percentage: .506 Behind Walt bellamy, .519
#1 in offensive win shares: 17.1 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 13.4 (+3.7)
#2 in defensive win shares: 6.0 Behind Bill Russell, 11.6
#1 in win shares: 23.1 Next best is Walt Bellamy, 16.3 (+6.8)
#1 in win shares per 48 minutes: .286 Next best is Walt Bellamy, .283 (+.53)

The rift between him and the "next best" from his own, or any other era, is so wide most NBA fans won't even accept his accolades... It's a mind boggling gap between him and then the next-best superstars of his era and that season. The #'s themselves don't translate directly to today's game, but the disparity, no matter how you look at it, is what's amazing.



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Deuce, before you decide to ejaculate all over another thread that mentions Wilt Chamberlain, tie a plastic bag tightly around your head and wait 10 minutes.

Anyone over 6'10 qualifies as 7'0 in today's NBA.
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Listed weights are not reality.
In 1989, David Robinson was listed at 235lbs but at the Olympics he was weighed and found to be only 227lbs. Eventually he weighed more, obviously but at the time his list weight was actually exaggerated. Wilt Chamberlain was listed 275 in 1964 (and for the rest of his career) but when he stepped on the locker room scale in 1964 mid-season, it reads 292. hmmmm......... Bill Russell was listed a flat out unrealistic 215 for his entire career - in 1967 he openly talks about his increased weight progression up to 235, and in the off-seasons he weighed 240. Those vintage players in particular were listed via their draft weight's when they were skinny rookies. None of them stayed that weight, all of them gained weight especially playing in the post - some of them gained a massive amount of weight.

ALL 31 of these men played Wilt for 2 seasons or more, are 7'0 tall by modern NBA standards, and exceeded 230lbs.

*Nate Thurmond (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walt Bellamy (HOF)
*Kareem Abdul Jabbar (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Tom Boerwinkle
*Ray Felix
*Bill Russell (HOF, 50 greatest)
*Walter Dukes
*Swede Halbrook
*Darrell Imhoff
*Bevo Nordman
*Mel Counts
*Jon Thompson
*Joe Strawder
*Reggie Harding
*Jim Fox
*Rich Niemen
*Dick Cunningham
*Dale Schlueter
*Dave Newmark
*Luther Rackley
*Otto Moore
*Neal Walk
*Greg Filmore
*Dennis Awtry
*George Johnson
*Bob Christian
*Tom Black
*Sam Lacey
*Bob Lanier (HOF)
*Elmore Smith
*Jim McDaniels
*William Smith


And dozens more were at least as tall as Dwight Howard, that also exceeded 230lbs.

FAIL
None of those are 7'0" 230+ lbs

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I said Jordan before you did - look at the thread. I was making a point to dunce biggie but out of respect to Odinn I won't go there.


Go where, about the competition at the 2-guard??

Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Rolando Blackman, Jeff Malone, Vernon Maxwell, John Starks, Reggie Theus, Mitch Richmond, Chris Mullin, Danny Ainge, Dennis Johnson, Michael Cooper, Alvin Robertson, Fat Lever, Hersey Hawkins, Joe Dumars, Sidney Moncrief, Paul Pressey, etc, etc....obviously not as deep as today's game, but many were not scrubs at all.

ONE OR TWO would be correct if your talking All-time Elite 2-guards....doesn't make the comp. weak if they aren't putting up 25 a game in a league that played in the paint with the bigs.
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