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Old 01-10-2007, 11:24 PM   #16
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That should def. be the plan. Give Kevin a season as the #1 guy, get cap space to sign a defensive PG like Billups, get a high pick to draft a Kevin Durant or a Brandan Wright(we won't be able to get G. Oden), and make a come back next season. Kenny, Mike, Ron, SAR, Brad, all need to go for cap space. They don't fit, they're all average/below average players or wannabe #1 guys who could help a contender. We need the cap space to sign some defensive players, a pick to get another franchise type player, and the cap space can also help us sign the role players we don't have.

On a good team they have guys who do a specific job or two, who are supposed to leave the offensive load to the main guys but they can contribute on offense when open. Just look at the Mavs, their offense comes from Nowitzki, Terry, and Howard. But they have other guys who can contribute when open too, like George and Stackhouse can hit open 3 pointers they get and Harris and Stackhouse can also create their own shot. They have guys who are specifically on that team to play D, block shots, rebound, like Diop and Dampier.

Where are our role players who come in specifically as a spot up shooter and defender? Where is our #1 guy? Where is our shotblocking and rebounding? It's simple, we don't have any. We have a bunch of guys who can hit an open jumper, Brad-can hit an open jumper and pass, Mike-can hit an open jumper and pass, Ron-can play in the post but prefers not to, Kenny-can't hit an open jumper, or lay up for that matter. Well who is going to get these guys open shots? We don't have a #1 option(yet, Kev might develope but probably not as long as Mike is the point guard) and we don't have an offense because Musselman doesn't know how.

You can't score, well you have to be a good defensive team then. Too bad Ron and Salmons(to a lesser extent) are our only good defenders who can get a stop. Everybody on this team is slow and we can't hit a shot so we get killed in transition. Your offense sucks and you turn to long jumpers after a bunch of dribbling 1 on 1 and you end up creating long rebounds so the other teams guards get up the court even faster. Even if this team gets back on D they are always disorganized because they're defensively retarded so the defense is scrambled. Our front line consists of guys who are either unathletic, short, or washed up.

Basically if we were able to get a defensive PG, a new PF who blocks shots and can play offense, sign a new center who blocks, and get someone on the FA market like James Posey to come off the bench to defend and knock down an open 3 then we'd be a much better team.

Basically this team is a jumbled mess of average or slightly above average talent that has no game plan.
A great post by a great poster ^

The whole argument about having role players who are specialists is what makes the difference between a contender and just an good/average team. The team that made it to the WCF had specialists. It had the lockdown defenders (Jackson and Christie), 3 point shooters (Peja, Bibby, Turk), Hustle Guys (J-Jackson, B Jackson, Pollard, Christie), Scorers (Bibby, Peja, B Jack), and a Superstar (Webbber). It had great veteran leadership from Vlade, Funderburke, and Webber. Each player had a clearly defined role and their was a consistent, logical, and efficient system put in place by the coaching staff.

The problem with the Kings is that they tried to rebuild on the go and it didn't work out well. As soon as the Kings traded Webb, they went into rebuilding mode and instead of going young and rebuilding from scratch, they tried to bring in decent players and guys who were entering the last leg of their career (SAR, Corliss). They also tried to take risks on unwanted players like Artest, Mobley, and Bonzi which turned out to work out well for them and allowed the Kings to stay competitive even though none of the new pieces meshed well together.


Every good team has a superstar (on most elite teams the best offensive player is also the best defensive player like Duncan, Kobe, etc.) surrounded by role players (Bowen, Posey, Stackhouse, Price, etc.) who do what they are good at. The Kings need to rebuild while keeping peices that show potential to become solid players. Kev Martin is a legit scorer and Salmons has the potential to become a DChristie type player (a versatile swingman who can handle the ball and is a good defender). Garcia has shown the ability to become a good shooter as had Douby. The Kings should try to move their big contract guys like Bibby, Artest, Thomas, and Miller for younger guys, draft picks, and capspace so they can rebuild around the youth.
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:00 AM   #17
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A great post by a great poster ^

The whole argument about having role players who are specialists is what makes the difference between a contender and just an good/average team. The team that made it to the WCF had specialists. It had the lockdown defenders (Jackson and Christie), 3 point shooters (Peja, Bibby, Turk), Hustle Guys (J-Jackson, B Jackson, Pollard, Christie), Scorers (Bibby, Peja, B Jack), and a Superstar (Webbber). It had great veteran leadership from Vlade, Funderburke, and Webber. Each player had a clearly defined role and their was a consistent, logical, and efficient system put in place by the coaching staff.

The problem with the Kings is that they tried to rebuild on the go and it didn't work out well. As soon as the Kings traded Webb, they went into rebuilding mode and instead of going young and rebuilding from scratch, they tried to bring in decent players and guys who were entering the last leg of their career (SAR, Corliss). They also tried to take risks on unwanted players like Artest, Mobley, and Bonzi which turned out to work out well for them and allowed the Kings to stay competitive even though none of the new pieces meshed well together.


Every good team has a superstar (on most elite teams the best offensive player is also the best defensive player like Duncan, Kobe, etc.) surrounded by role players (Bowen, Posey, Stackhouse, Price, etc.) who do what they are good at. The Kings need to rebuild while keeping peices that show potential to become solid players. Kev Martin is a legit scorer and Salmons has the potential to become a DChristie type player (a versatile swingman who can handle the ball and is a good defender). Garcia has shown the ability to become a good shooter as had Douby. The Kings should try to move their big contract guys like Bibby, Artest, Thomas, and Miller for younger guys, draft picks, and capspace so they can rebuild around the youth.

Glad to see that everyone here gets my point. Then again you guys would.

On the other hand, if Rasheed Wallace hits the market(read on a pistons board that he might be unhappy in Detroit) do you think we should go after him? Averaging 8 boards/2 blocks a game. Always been a favorite player of mine. Only way you can win without a superstar is with good/great D, Sheed would certainly help that. Maybe trade Miller+Hart for him and then trade Shareef for Brendan Haywood. Our D would be way better.

edit: I think rebuilding is the best option but that doesn't seem like something Petrie would do, and Rasheed might be "the right move" that he waits for. What do you guys think?

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Old 01-11-2007, 12:26 AM   #18
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Glad to see that everyone here gets my point. Then again you guys would.

On the other hand, if Rasheed Wallace hits the market(read on a pistons board that he might be unhappy in Detroit) do you think we should go after him? Averaging 8 boards/2 blocks a game. Always been a favorite player of mine. Only way you can win without a superstar is with good/great D, Sheed would certainly help that. Maybe trade Miller+Hart for him and then trade Shareef for Brendan Haywood. Our D would be way better.
That would provide us with the the shotblocker we have been lacking but would cost us a lot of scoring unless Sheed could average in the mid teens.

I think the reason that Artest and the rest of the the swingmen can't seem to play good D is because they lack a shotblocker behind them. All good perimeter defenders have shotblockers behind them: Bowen has Duncan, Hassel has KG, Artest used to have Oneal...

Whats sheeds contract situation? I remember it being like about 10 mill a year and 2 or 3 yrs left...
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:36 AM   #19
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It's about 10 mill year/2 seasons left after this. He would help Ron a lot, as Ron wouldn't have to worry about the paint and his man. Then again I'm worried that's too much craziness for 1 team so maybe you keep shopping Ron and see if you can't get like Posey+Wright for Ron?

Right now anyways, it's obvious that our defense isn't very good. The backcourt(Bibby/Martin) is bad defensively, and the frontcourt is bad too. So once the PG/SG of the other team get past Bibby and Martin, not only do our bad defenders up front have to deal with their man they got to get Mike/Martin's too. That's a lot of pressure to put on terrible defenders like Brad/Reef or a midget PF like Kenny.
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Old 01-11-2007, 12:50 AM   #20
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What do you think it would take to get Sheed?

Also, getting sheed would also leave us with a lot of guys that have tried to be leaders and failed: SAR, Bibby, Artest, and Sheed. This team lacks leadership.
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If he starts causing trouble in their lockerroom, I say it takes Miller+Hart. They need a new back up PG that can defend and they'd get a good center to start with Maxiell(he's young and 6'7'' but plays more like Elton Brand than Kenny Thomas).

I think we should try to trade Reef for Brendan Haywood(insider I talked to told me Washington would deal him to us but Petrie's persuing Etan Thomas instead). Sheed/Haywood is a damn good line up defensively, average nearly 4 blocks a game.

You're right about the leadership thing though. That's iffy.
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:42 AM   #22
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well this team to me is really awful i mean we are flat out disgraceful when it comes to basketball.... I mean its so good to see Bibby actually hittin a shot these days but we are still losing. As you all can see the gap between the 8th spot and lower seeds is becoming bigger and bigger... i dnt kno if this team can stomach/hold out for the deadline. And quite frankly i really dnt wanna see what "moves" geoff might pull because obviously we wont get anything just like always...i can see kenny pot hart mo and corliss all being moved but then we still look like crap after the dead line

i mean call me crazy but if this ron artest thing isnt working out and so on ...the only deal i can see happening is if we trade artest and mo for bynum rodman and turiaf ...we finally get the bigs we need wit blocking ability ..youth movement and we get a younger better basketball player healthier peja

i'm a fan of sheed but reality kicks in and says to me .....the guy doesnt and will not help us out neither does haywood if we was to aquire sheed i would much rather have a younger guy with him as his duo ..someone like bynum
sheed is in the same state as sheed both are old guys who still can playball a little

i keep preachinn that when are we going to catch a huge break like other teams do...cavs lebron heat wade denver carmelo toronto bosh etc.
and its not like we dnt have the luck or what ever u wanna call it.....we just have a retarted leader at the helm who wont allow things to unfold for the better and is making decisions from his own personal and gut feelings instead of whats best for the team
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Maybe it's just me but I don't see anythng in Bynum.
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Maybe it's just me but I don't see anythng in Bynum.
no men! bynum is something really special n my book....given time i think he can be dangerous
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Whatever we do, we don't trade Ron the the lakers. That would be dumb considering we would get killed by him and them for the next 3+ years. I say if we trade him, trade him to Miami for Dorrel Wright+Posey+a first if we can squeeze it out of them. Regardless I think Bibby needs to be the first 1 to go.
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If he starts causing trouble in their lockerroom, I say it takes Miller+Hart. They need a new back up PG that can defend and they'd get a good center to start with Maxiell(he's young and 6'7'' but plays more like Elton Brand than Kenny Thomas).
Why give up our only 7 footer for yet another PF? Package SAR with their choice of Hart or Price.
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Why give up our only 7 footer for yet another PF? Package SAR with their choice of Hart or Price.


Why not just trade SAR for Brendan Haywood? IMO Sheed/Haywood frontline>>>Miller/Reef.
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Why not just trade SAR for Brendan Haywood? IMO Sheed/Haywood frontline>>>Miller/Reef.

I'll cosign that one.
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i much rather a blount and randolph front court or randolph and haywood

imo sheed cant help us out to be honest his time is widing down only soo much he can do...and he'll only piss me off shooting threes, meaning to trial on a fast break so he can shoot a three.

he wont play like how we would want him to play being a full pledge garbage man who posts up racks up high double doubles and draw double teams

hes not that kind of player anymore those hay blazer days are finished...but sometimes he gives u a flash back

when we hold him to 0 points on our first meeting i really saw that he wasnt the same anymore....i mean yeah we are trying to play D but c'mon now holding him to 0 points...with who on him SAR????? KENNY FROGMAS???? puhhh leez!! so imagine when he goes up against guys like bosh KG etc. He may give us 1 good year but ofcourse u know we will come up short because we will be lacking something!!
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