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Old 02-26-2012, 02:27 PM   #91
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javale mcgee would drop 50 on wilt according to ish

I know...there are actually some dorks here who believe that nonsense. I have long claimed that you could pull Wilt's corpse from the ground, prop it up under the basket, and McGee would not score a point.
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:34 PM   #92
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javale mcgee would drop 50 on wilt according to ish

JaFail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQiInX37oys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-jM2NvBIc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR6TnQSgxO8

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Old 02-26-2012, 02:37 PM   #93
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Wilt played all summer with us at UCLA around 1980 or 1981. He was in tremendous shape and could dominate younger players even then. After we had run full court for a couple of hours, a few of us were shooting around. My former college teammate David Greenwood was giving Wilt a hard time about his stats and telling him, 'You know, you could never score 100 points in today's game, the competition was weak when you played.' Wilt decided he wanted to play some two-on-two. It was David, who played for the Bulls, and the Piston's Roy Hamilton (my boss at Fox Sports) against me and Wilt. On the first couple of possessions David scored and really turned up the trash talking. Wilt was really fired up now. He pulled me to the side, put his arm around me, and told me to not shoot the ball, just pass it to him, every time. Of course, I did what I was told. Wilt proceeded to DUNK, that's right DUNK the next 10 straight times right in Greenwood's grill. He would either back him down or establish position real close to the hoop. I'd feed him, he'd jump, turn in mid-air and smash - one of the most impressive basketball moments I have ever witnessed. After we had won the game, Wilt didn't say a word, just left the gym. True story! - KBLAZE

I have heard this exact same story before.YEARS AGO.
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:38 PM   #94
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And Wilts Ft issue wasnt skill based. By most reports he shot them fine in practice. Just like Shaq. We have all see Shaq wet FTs over and over working out. His issue like Wilt...was mental. They had Wilt seeing psychiatrists and shit.

Like Nick Anderson after the finals disaster. He would shy away from taking Fts. miss them at unusual rates even though he could shoot his ass off. Guy shot like 40% from the Ft line one year but he was wetting 25 footers with defenses trying to stop it all day.

Fts are funny. Its rare a guy just lacks the skill to make them if they put in any work. And Wilt worked. shaq worked. Nick kept trying to get his shot right.

But you cant practice enough to just beat that mental block. And all the practice and tips and doctors and hate grows and guys get even worse at te line.

Its rarely about skill on high levels.
Do you have Shaq's practice free throws video?
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:39 PM   #95
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His "goofy looking skillset" allowed him to average over 41 points a game on 48%FG vs Bill Russell and the Celtics defense in 12 games in 1962....
It is a bit goofy because he used his right hand exclusively even if it exposed the ball.
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:40 PM   #96
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Do you have Shaq's practice free throws video?


It has been mentioned several times in years past that Shaq could make his FT's in practice.....not all the evidence your ever gonna find is in videos....
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:44 PM   #97
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Do you have Shaq's practice free throws video?

Have you forgotten Wilt went 28 for 32 when he scored 100 points?

Or is that myth too?

Clearly its psychological - no NBA player, including Wilt, has ever been physically incapable of hitting consistent free throws. Sorry brah.

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Old 02-26-2012, 02:49 PM   #98
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It is a bit goofy because he used his right hand exclusively even if it exposed the ball.

So you have VIDEO footage of the 61-62 ECF's?

Keep in mind that even Red Holzman a HOF coach who was coaching against Wilt in the 60's and 70's, claimed that Wilt had a good outside shot when he came into the league. Of course, we have SEVERAL single game college highlights which PROVE it, as well as this highlight video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhH_fPBWShQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7hJeRajeYo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3wJzDOdWaQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT2_FnTXMQo

Even his FT shooting looked much better in college and in his early NBA career.

Overall, how about this video, which chronicles his high school career to the first half of his NBA career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZX...eature=related

Now, you tell me that Wilt looked a "bit goofy."
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:54 PM   #99
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So you have VIDEO footage of the 61-62 ECF's?

Keep in mind that even Red Holzman a HOF coach who was coaching against Wilt in the 60's and 70's, claimed that Wilt had a good outside shot when he came into the league. Of course, we have SEVERAL single game college highlights which PROVE it, as well as this highlight video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhH_fPBWShQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7hJeRajeYo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3wJzDOdWaQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT2_FnTXMQo

Even his FT shooting looked much better in college and in his early NBA career.

Overall, how about this video, which chronicles his high school career to the first half of his NBA career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4WZX...eature=related

Now, you tell me that Wilt looked a "bit goofy."
That last video you posted is the one I just watched yesterday, it's the one I based my judgement off of. I know he can shoot, but I'm talking about anything close to the basket he used his right hand only even if it means showing the ball directly to the defender.
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Old 02-26-2012, 02:57 PM   #100
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I don't know why Wilt was such a bad FT shooter.

Looking at his college days, he had a pretty solid form. I'd say that he could have shot 60% from the line.. but for some reason, he couldn't connect on that much for his career.
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:03 PM   #101
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Have you forgotten Wilt went 28 for 32 when he scored 100 points?

Or is that myth too?

Clearly its psychological - no NBA player, including Wilt, has ever been physically incapable of hitting consistent free throws. Sorry brah.

If he can't do it consistently then it's most likely an outlier, same goes for great free throw shooters who have a bad or average shooting night once in awhile.
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:09 PM   #102
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If he can't do it consistently then it's most likely an outlier, same goes for great free throw shooters who have a bad or average shooting night once in awhile.


NO....it was definately psychological....talking of Shaq as well::

Number of games shooting 65% or better, year to year...

29,23,15,7,10,10,20,19,20,36,14,11,14,5,18...

This type of inconsistency is NOT CONSISTENT with being a "skills" issue. 65% is not an incredibly difficult % to make, yet you can see Shaq was all over the place with how often he could shoot that mediocre % per game. I'm sure his actual FT shooting skill didn't change that much yearly.
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:14 PM   #103
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I don't know why Wilt was such a bad FT shooter.

Looking at his college days, he had a pretty solid form. I'd say that he could have shot 60% from the line.. but for some reason, he couldn't connect on that much for his career.

87.5% the night he scored 100
63.6% in 1961-62 NBA playoffs
62.7% his freshmen NCAA season
61.3% in 1961-62 NBA season
60.6% his sophomore NCAA season

Compare with his career lows:

38.0% in 1967-68 NBA season
38.0% in 1967-68 NBA playoffs
38.8% in 1966-67 NBA playoffs
39.2% in 1968-69 NBA playoffs

Its most likely all just psychological - nothing physical was barring his ft% He has long stretches of hot and cold that seem miles apart
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Old 02-26-2012, 03:22 PM   #104
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NO....it was definately psychological....talking of Shaq as well::

Number of games shooting 65% or better, year to year...

29,23,15,7,10,10,20,19,20,36,14,11,14,5,18...

This type of inconsistency is NOT CONSISTENT with being a "skills" issue. 65% is not an incredibly difficult % to make, yet you can see Shaq was all over the place with how often he could shoot that mediocre % per game. I'm sure his actual FT shooting skill didn't change that much yearly.

I kinda figure he just chucked it up there, somethin goin through his mind all the time like "they changed the freaking rules on me that's freaking cheating, those freaking frzzles cheating on me because I can dunk this in their face"
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Old 02-26-2012, 04:01 PM   #105
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Kblaze, I really respect your opinion but that is not true.
Both Wilt and Shaq had terrible form and sure, ALOT of players in league history shot it odd and with unorthodox form a la Jamal Wilkes but they made them.

Both Wilt and Shaq had bad form and they always missed them, they were never even average..

Ive seen Shaq shoot fts waming up in person and barely miss. I cant say ive seen Wilt do it....but ive heard from the mouths of his teammates(not read a report...heard them say it) that he could shoot in practice.

And wilt...unlike Shaq...actually tried everything to help in game. Ive seen him do Shaqs kinda one handed flick, take 18 footers, granny style, and all that. He listened to so many people and put so much pressure on himself to perform he just broke down and got worse and worse. Wilt shot 63% in college in 1957 and shot 38% at the peak of his ability(76ers).

What...you think he got less skilled with all those years of playing ball, taking tens of thousands of shots, and being driven to improve by being mocked when he was one of the most proud athletes ever? This guy HATED the idea that bigmen were not skilled and worked his ass off to be a good FT shooter partly to fight that belief but he just could not make them in game.

Once they saw that he could shoot with guys like Chet Walker in practice but in games he might shoot 25% they had him talking with doctors and gave him a personal Ft coach to tinker with his form and all.

I remember seeing him and his coach talking about it on what I think was an NBA halftime when Shaq was young and his FT shooting was being discussed.

A lot of guys who cant make FTs in the NBA can outshoot guys who can in practice.

You shoot tens of thousands of FTs(he shot over 11000 in the league and many more by himself) you could learn to make them with any form if it were a matter of just....skill.

But it isnt. The mental side comes in. Especally with guys who for one reason or another are under unusual pressure at the line.

This shouldnt be hard to believe. There are too many examples of it. Including modern ones. Here is Dwight who has hired the same FT coach Shaq used(Guy has made 99% of his FTs for years...olds the world record of 1206 made in an hour). guy says Dwight shot 83%(likely 83 of 100 at the end of the workout which is how he did it withshaq).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_cg08SXrQ0

So Dwight has a world class Ft coach and he shoots 49% this year.

Shaq with the same guy....shot 80% in practice too. Wilt did. Virtually everyone does.

And then still miss half or more in the games.

It just is not as simple as how skilled you are. It never has been.

Wilt like everyone else who takes many thousands of FTs and works hard to improve....could make them with nothing on the line and no pressure. Its a simple thing to do. In games the change is mental. Not the physical ability to throw a ball where it needs to go...the way you have done tens of thousands of times.
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