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Old 03-03-2012, 07:51 PM   #61
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Default Re: Consensual sex with a Teen = Morally depraved | Gay on Gay = Not morally depraved??

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but obviously psychological coercion is much more difficult to prove, and in certain cases, the victim can legitimately be said to have consented... when the consent, in truth, is meaningless due to the nature of the relationship.

i think my point was that there are numerous degrees of authoritative relationships, and the vast majority of the spectrum cannot be used as grounds for illegality. in cases such as a boss and his secretary or just any employer/employee situation, or a professor and his grad student, or even an older sibling and a younger sibling... i'm not sure there is enough universality in terms of straight up psychological dominance to actually legislate. certainly not for the former two, and i would argue not even in the case of the last example... all in cases where 'consent' of both parties appears obvious.

parent-child is essentially an orange and everything else is an apple, because it's so consistently bred into us to feel the way we do towards our parent. and of course specific examples of teacher-student or older-younger siblings can rival the authoritarian nature of parent-child, just not enough to legislate.


this is all in specific response to jello's pondering/semi-baiting about government actually legislating sexual morality.
Yes I agree that a truly consensual act between a parent and child cannot exist.
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:09 PM   #62
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Yes I agree that a truly consensual act between a parent and child cannot exist.
so even under your criteria of 'consistency', this would be a particular situational nuance for which you would have to deviate from your general stance... no?
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Old 03-03-2012, 08:32 PM   #63
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I am a christian and to be homest i actually agree that per my personal morals all of these situations are morally wrong. The thing is, while I think my morals are right, I have no right to force them on anyone else anymore than someone who thinks homosexuality is morally correct has the right to make me screw another guy so they are more than welcome to bang away
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:47 PM   #64
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So Zophila's are not morally depraved either and having consensual sex with a teen isn't either.

First it was "they were born that way"
Then it was "they are two consenting individual"
Now its "well it ain't morally wrong"

Ohh how convenient.

I don't understand how you can't get it through you're head that its between 2 consenting ADULTS. The laws determining the age to consent would be the same for gay as they are for straight people.

I can't tell if you are too stupid to understand this or if you are purposely ignoring it because it destroys your entire argument.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:14 AM   #65
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Oh look another teacher is in a sexual relationship with his student and probably had consensual sex with her before she turned 18.

Proving yet again my argument is not a matter of consent.

If a grown person can't have consensual sex with a teenager because as you all said, its "morally wrong so its against the law". So Why should a homo have sex with another homo? Isn't that also morally wrong?

Its morally wrong because an older person has the ability to manipulate a younger person.

I dont see how you can say its morally wrong for a man to love another man because what is it they are doing again? Oh yeah thats right...loving. How is loving morally wrong? Nobody gets hurt, nobody gets manipulated. They are grown man and are making a decision that really harms no one.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:30 AM   #66
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I don't understand how you can't get it through you're head that its between 2 consenting ADULTS. The laws determining the age to consent would be the same for gay as they are for straight people.
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yea but then what is an adult? that's just a social construct. there were times and societies where you became a man when you were 13 and were expected to have family and wives as early as 16. Yet now we would consider those to be kids. (okay there are certain physiological prerequisite for consideration to be adult but that's also largely individual based and the ages of 18 and 21 are fairly arbitrary)

All morality and these social norms are necessarily culture bound and created/consented on by the members of a community.

In this relativistic realm, what is moral and correct is nothing more than a social contract that's agreed on by the majority.

Hence I think the question OP asks can be interpreted in two ways:
1) why are certain acts deemed deviant while others aren't in the society we live in?
2) do these standards and norms have any legitimacy in an absolute perspective?

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Old 03-04-2012, 01:36 AM   #67
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Default Re: Consensual sex with a Teen = Morally depraved | Gay on Gay = Not morally depraved??

My whole point is about the legality of homosexuality because the reason the argument was even posed was because the OP is trying to paint homosexuality as immoral in order to justify keeping it illegal.

I don't feel like discussing the morality of it because the is a whole nother can of worms and frankly I just don't care lol.
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Old 03-04-2012, 01:41 AM   #68
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old men had teenagers everyday back in the olden days
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Old 03-04-2012, 03:42 AM   #69
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Regarding incest...

so where did Cain of the Bible find his wife?
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:48 AM   #70
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Default Re: Consensual sex with a Teen = Morally depraved | Gay on Gay = Not morally depraved??

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So Zophila's are not morally depraved either and having consensual sex with a teen isn't either.

First it was "they were born that way"
Then it was "they are two consenting individual"
Now its "well it ain't morally wrong"


Ohh how convenient.

If you're a logical thinker, it was all three to begin with.

Nobody is making excuses for homosexuals to date one another. It's an attraction they can't control, ya dig?

As for a 40-year-old teacher leaving his 3 kids & wife for a student? That's morally fucked up. That's an attraction the man can and SHOULD control, but it's too late now.
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:21 AM   #71
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Regarding incest...

so where did Cain of the Bible find his wife?
they weren't literally the first pple, i believe

there were others around the earth to ****
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Old 03-04-2012, 12:37 PM   #72
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what's your problem with teh gayz, Blader?
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