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Old 04-20-2012, 09:11 PM   #2791
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Also, I have to add...the prosecutor's presentation today at the hearing left a LOT to be desired.
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:16 PM   #2792
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You dont approach someone like you're a trained law enforcement officer

so much bias...it hurts.

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Zimmerman is not trained to handle that stuff, and he shouldnt have confronted Trayvon.

but he had every right to confront Trayvon, nothing about it was illegal or violated Trayvon's rights. a concerned citizen observing and making contact with another citizen does not require special training. based on the evidence I have seen so far; I believe the moment this whole situation got out of control is when Trayvon escalated the confrontation to violence by assaulting Zimmerman.

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You dont think dude here should serve ANY prison time?

I think Zimmerman may have handled the situation poorly, and perhaps should be punished for something akin to "recklessness", but certainly not murder.

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Zimmerman confronted and murdered a teenager.

I don't believe he murdered anyone. anyhow there is no convincing evidence of any of your assertions.

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Old 04-20-2012, 09:32 PM   #2793
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Some news outlets didn't think Zimmerman was white enough, so they went ahead and edited his pic


It'd be nice if these actually included a true citation I could look up. How the **** do I know the person that put this together didn't edit it themselves? Or maybe they collected these off various forums, where the person saved them to their own hard drive using who knows what method, causing degraded image quality/distortion.
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:37 PM   #2794
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IF HIS HEAD IS SPLIT, YOU MUST ACQUIT! lol





Lol funny
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:37 PM   #2795
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Wyclef Jean's Trayvon Martin song: Justice (If You're 17)

Wyclef isn't the first to write a Trayvon Martin tribute song, but he's the biggest musician to come forth with one so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...=1lDfxzvxWUY#!
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:39 PM   #2796
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You know...I have a feeling this dude is gonna walk.
This. It sucks cuz I think something should happen to him. Can he still get charged with manslaughter?
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:42 PM   #2797
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so much bias...it hurts.



but he had every right to confront Trayvon, nothing about it was illegal or violated Trayvon's rights. a concerned citizen observing and making contact with another citizen does not require special training. based on the evidence I have seen so far; I believe the moment this whole situation got out of control is when Trayvon escalated the confrontation to violence by assaulting Zimmerman.



I think Zimmerman may have handled the situation poorly, and perhaps should be punished for something akin to "recklessness", but certainly not murder.



I don't believe he murdered anyone. anyhow there is no convincing evidence of any of your assertions.



Bias how? Bro, do you KNOW how "neighborhood watch" generally is supposed to operate?


They watch. They deem something off, and or suspicious, they call the cops. That is their 'duty'.



Approaching a potential suspect with a concealed weapon to question them is not the duty of a regular citizen.




Why the fu*k do you think the damn 911 operator told him not to follow? You ignore that simple fact as if it wasnt of ANY importance.


The police THEMSELVES tell you to not get involved like that. You put yourself, and the suspect in potential DANGER.



AS WE SEE IN THIS CASE.



A regular citizen with ZERO training shot an unarmed kid. This was the OUTCOME regardless of what series of events took place dude.
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Old 04-20-2012, 09:58 PM   #2798
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Approaching a potential suspect with a concealed weapon to question them is not the duty of a regular citizen.

which is legal. you can whine about what is "right" all you want. doesn't change the fact that nothing Zimmerman did was illegal.


morality =/= law. the bottom line is that he did NOTHING illegal, Trayvon did when he assaulted him. it was then Zimmerman's right to defend himself. the evidence is actually that the gun never discharged the spent casing, meaning someone was holding the slide, which is indicative of a struggle for the firearm.

also if merely following someone was an aggressive or threatening action, then why aren't people beating down paparazzi and private investigators left and right?

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Old 04-20-2012, 10:15 PM   #2799
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Bias how? Bro, do you KNOW how "neighborhood watch" generally is supposed to operate?

They watch. They deem something off, and or suspicious, they call the cops. That is their 'duty'.

Approaching a potential suspect with a concealed weapon to question them is not the duty of a regular citizen.

Why the fu*k do you think the damn 911 operator told him not to follow? You ignore that simple fact as if it wasnt of ANY importance.

Zimmerman's a terrible neighborhood watch captain. That's fine. But again, it doesn't mean he didn't act in self defense. Him following Trayvon and ignoring the 911 operator are neither illegal actions nor are they actions that disprove the self defense claim.

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A regular citizen with ZERO training shot an unarmed kid. This was the OUTCOME regardless of what series of events took place dude.

More accurately: A licensed-to-conceal citizen shot an unarmed "kid" (6'3'' 17 year old) who was physically assaulting him. As evidenced by the photos of his bloodied head injuries.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:17 PM   #2800
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Zimmerman is a ***** for shooting the kid but it was self defense and he did nothing illegal. At this point in the case there is 0 doubt that the kid assaulted him
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:27 PM   #2801
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More accurately: A licensed-to-conceal citizen shot an unarmed "kid" (6'3'' 17 year old) who was physically assaulting him. As evidenced by the photos of his bloodied head injuries.

I thought it was proved he wasn't 6'3"? Why does this keep coming up?

Or is he?
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:29 PM   #2802
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A regular citizen with ZERO training shot an unarmed kid. This was the OUTCOME regardless of what series of events took place dude.

So the series of events that took place mean nothing?

In that case, if someone under the age of 18 were to break into your house and start beating your ass and you were able to shoot them and kill them, you also should be tried for murder, right? Because you would be then considered a regular citizen with zero training shooting an unarmed kid regardless of the fact he broke into your house.

I'm not arguing that Zimmerman is innocent, just that part of your post shows how much you are one side.

Anyways, what are all the latest updates on the case?

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Old 04-20-2012, 10:39 PM   #2803
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTYhc53YbYY

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Old 04-20-2012, 11:20 PM   #2804
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So the series of events that took place mean nothing?

In that case, if someone under the age of 18 were to break into your house and start beating your ass and you were able to shoot them and kill them, you also should be tried for murder, right? Because you would be then considered a regular citizen with zero training shooting an unarmed kid regardless of the fact he broke into your house.





Really?



No, how about this...


You, with a concealed weapon, decide that your neighbor is looking rather suspicious. You walk over there, and decide to conduct your own little questioning session after you've called the cops, and they (911 dispatch) informs you to stand down, and wait for police (or, to not go over, and or follow them) You decide, ya know...since you're a vigilant citizen that you will handle it. You confront them in an aggressive manor. They kick your ass. You shoot them dead.



You do not find your actions to be irrational and stupid in that case?




Sure folks...its within his legal 'right' to confront Trayvon. It's also Trayvon's legal right to defend himself if HE feels threatened as well. UNFORTUNATELY we cant get HIS side of the story because he was shot dead.



It was HIGHLY stupid of him to do so. And do not come at me, with this BS act as if George Zimmerman went politely up to the kid, and asked him several questions.


ON THE PHONE with 911 dispatch the dude sounded irritated. You REALLY believe he didnt confront Trayvon in an aggressive manor? AND with a concealed weapon, AND he himself with quite the colorful paste history of some violence his damn self, and firing off?


Please fellas. The guy is John fu*king Wayne over there.



This is what I meant by the actions not meaning much dude....You have a teenager dead because a guy wanted to confront a suspicious person on his own, rather than wait for officers who are trained to handle these situations.


Im a 31 year old man. I am NOT about to confront a guy I think is "suspicious". Are you fu*king kidding me?



I think a lot will hang on WHO exactly was also screaming for help. Some say it was Zimmerman....yet, it seems to conflict with key points in Zimmerman's story. There ARE holes in his story folks. Believe it or not.


For one, today he stated to not know how old Trayvon was....yet in the 911 call, he said clearly "late teens"



Oh yeah man....Zimmerman had him ALL pegged too during that call. Go back and listen to it again, and imagine the state of mind George was in.


"he is really suspicious looking"


"hes on drugs or something"


"his hand is in his waistband....somethings wrong with him"



This guy is PARANOID. Why? Why on earth would you assume these things? Was it because he was black? Was it because George is a fu*king dumbsh*t?


These are the things that concern me about his state of mind, vs that of a teenager.

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Old 04-20-2012, 11:26 PM   #2805
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Really?



No, how about this...


You, with a concealed weapon, decide that your neighbor is looking rather suspicious. You walk over there, and decide to conduct your own little questioning session after you've called the cops, and they (911 dispatch) informs you to stand down, and wait for police (or, to not go over, and or follow them) You decide, ya know...since you're a vigilant citizen that you will handle it. You confront them in an aggressive manor. They kick your ass. You shoot them dead.




Yes, really. Your entire argument was "an untrained citizen shot a kid and the events that led to the shooting in itself are irrelevant", which, therefore, in my scenario, as in yours, the person would be considered 100% guilty and should face 25 to life.
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