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Old 07-01-2013, 06:42 PM   #4291
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we can speculate all day .. that's why I said imo .. we'll never know who started the fight

maybe the guy that started stalking another guy because of his skin color
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:44 PM   #4292
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maybe the guy that started stalking another guy because of his skin color



Welcome to 5 months ago.

The only person in this case who brough up race was Trayvon, who called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker".

Try to keep up with the facts before you shoot your mouth off.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:46 PM   #4293
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It's really tiresome listening to everyone with their uninformed opinions of why Zimmerman is guilty.

As opposed to your uniformed opinion?

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Poor judgment and following someone, or even confronting them, is not illegal.

Who said it was?

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Just because someone is punching you on the ground and bashes your head into the concrete, that doesn't give you the right to shoot them!

Zim's minor injuries are something we know. Zim getting his head repeatedly slammed into the concrete is something we don't know actually happened. How about you let me 'smash your head into the pavement with all my strength' and then we compare your injuries to Zim's when you wake up (if you do)?

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What the hell was he suppose to do? Wait until he was unconscious or beaten into a comma and somehow magically fire his weapon before Trayvon possibly murdered him or caused him brain damage?

There's another thing, I'm supposed to believe that TM was going to beat Zim to death for no reason whatsoever? Zim is a completely innocent angel while TM was a cold-blooded murderer? Don't you think there's some room in the middle?

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If someone is attacking you, of course you have the right to end them right there. What are you supposed to do otherwise? Hope the attacker decides to be nice and not beat you to death?

Why doesn't everyone go around shooting people whenever they feel they're even remotely in danger? What if TM had a gun and shot Zim because he thought he was in danger from Zim following him around?

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Plus, Zimmerman also stated (during a lie detector test that he passed, btw) that Martin began to go for his gun. Saying something like 'you gonna to die tonight mother****er'.

Are there any witnesses that can corroborate Zim's version of events? I find it difficult to believe that TM so conveniently made such a statement.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:47 PM   #4294
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MOM: "You lied, right, told Zim you found camera footage of that night, what did Zim say?"

Serino: "He said, Thank God."

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MOM: "Do you think George Zimmerman was telling the truth?"

Serino: "Yes."

gz fully cooperated with every question they asked him .. didn't even request a lawyer .. definitely the mindset of a guilty person ..

serino testifying looks like someone that knows this case is bs
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:47 PM   #4295
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yes checkmate .. the defense has owned every single prosecution witness so badly that the prosecution has had to TURN ON and cross examine some of their own witnesses .. quite embarrassing for the state

as for your statement about serino .. wtf did he just say that he was pressured into moving forward with the case ?? .. this trial is bs .. all political

So... the only reason Serino originally wanted 2nd degree murder charges levied against Zimmerman was because he felt pressured? Let's forget that his superiors had him downgrade the charges 3 times in the span of 5 hours before the DA eventually tossed the case... does that sound like a proper investigation to you? A lead detective succumbing to 'pressure'? Was he a kid at recess being triple dog dared to eat a worm?

Kind of makes sense now why the special prosecutor was called in to do a proper investigation which, once again, ironically came to same exact conclusion as Serino's peer pressure original charges.

Here, read for yourself:
New Zimmerman evidence: Serino changed final report four times in five hours

December 12, 2012|By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
SANFORD After Chris Serino, the Sanford police detective who led the investigation into the Trayvon Martin shooting death, wrote the most important police report in the case, he revised it at least four times.

And he made at least one huge change: He initially said George Zimmerman should be charged with second-degree murder, then changed course and recommended a charge of manslaughter, according to a prosecutor and new list of evidence.

Serino made all those revisions to the report summarizing his findings during one five-hour stretch on March 13, according to a newly released evidence list.

In the first two drafts, according to Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda, Serino wrote that he had probable cause to recommend a second-degree-murder charge. Then, over the next hour, he changed the report twice more and in his final version wrote that the evidence supported the lesser charge.

One of Serino's supervisors, Sanford police Capt. Bob O'Connor, said in a July 3 interview that everyone in Serino's chain of command agreed with the investigator's conclusion. Serino's direct supervisor, then-Sgt. Randy Smith, also signed the final version.

Each version was turned over to defense attorneys Tuesday, although they have not yet been made public. That should happen in the next few weeks.

Zimmerman, a former Neighborhood Watch volunteer, is free on $1 million bail, awaiting trial on a charge of second-degree murder. He says he acted in self-defense when he killed the unarmed teen Feb. 26 after calling Sanford police and describing him as suspicious.

Prosecutors say 29-year-old Zimmerman is guilty of profiling a 17-year-old whom he assumed was about to commit a crime, following him and committing murder.

Cop did what he was told

The new evidence list shows that on March 13, the day Sanford police surrendered the case to the Office of Seminole-Brevard State Attorney Norm Wolfinger, Serino went to great lengths to polish and revise the final report.

It was a time of extraordinary pressure on the department. National civil-rights leaders were accusing Sanford officers of racism and sloppy police work.

There were rallies and marches in Sanford and across the country, and political leaders were pressuring the department to make an arrest.

But police did not have enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman, they said at the time and have repeated ever since. Former police Chief Bill Lee Jr. and other senior officers said that would have been a violation of his civil rights, so their solution: dump it on Wolfinger.

For the state attorney to take over the investigation, however, police had to file the right paperwork, Lee wrote in an email to the Orlando Sentinel in July.

That includes a charging recommendation, Lee wrote, and as lead investigator, that task fell to Serino.

He did what he was told, according to O'Connor. Just above Serino's signature, the veteran investigator wrote, "I believe there exists probable cause for issuance of a capias charging George Michael Zimmerman with manslaughter."

O'Connor told the Sentinel in July, "Basically, the implied order was, 'Get it out the door' We wrote up what we had, the context of what we had with the understanding that there was still insufficient evidence for the State Attorney to charge."

On Tuesday, de la Rionda handed the much-revised Serino report to defense attorneys, saying he had received it recently from Serino's attorney, Jose Baez, who advised them that it would likely help Zimmerman.

It's not clear, however, that it will.

Wolfinger was in charge of the investigation less than two weeks when Gov. Rick Scott handed it over to Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, the elected state attorney in Jacksonville.

Her investigators, helped by agents with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, re-interviewed old witnesses, found new ones, collected crime lab reports and arrested Zimmerman April 11 on a charge of second-degree murder.


They came up with their own probable-cause affidavit, and the following day Seminole County Judge Mark Herr signed off on it.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-degree-murder
Nothing about the above sets off red flags to you?
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:48 PM   #4296
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Welcome to 5 months ago.

The only person in this case who brough up race was Trayvon, who called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker".

Try to keep up with the facts before you shoot your mouth off.

obvioulsy that was a rebuttal for being stalked for being black keyword "creepy" = stalker. i wouldnt expect a biased person that is all about guns and protecting himself from thugs like trayvon to believe otherwise.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:50 PM   #4297
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obvioulsy that was a rebuttal for being stalked for being black keyword "creepy" = stalker. i wouldnt expect a biased person that is all about guns and protecting himself from thugs like trayvon to believe otherwise.

precious admitted he regularly called whites derogatory racist names .. do you excuse him for that as well ?
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:51 PM   #4298
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precious admitted he regularly called whites derogatory racist names .. do you excuse him for that as well ?

hes dead you idiot, how could he testify in court that he called whites derogatory names even if he did, that meant he deserve to get shot to death
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:56 PM   #4299
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hes dead you idiot, how could he testify in court that he called whites derogatory names

By "precious" he means Rachel Jeantel testifying that Trayvon called him a cracker. Not Trayvon testifying, obviously.



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Old 07-01-2013, 06:57 PM   #4300
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i hate coming into this thread and reading idiots opinion on what should happen. its going to be a great injustice if bitch made Zimmerman is found innocent for a murder of a 16 year old kid which most likely is going to happen. im not coming into this thread anymore, to many dumbasses with poor perspective.

btw, im from chicago, if anything, i would be prejudice against black thugs.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:57 PM   #4301
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So... the only reason Serino originally wanted 2nd degree murder charges levied against Zimmerman was because he felt pressured? Let's forget that his superiors had him downgrade the charges 3 times in the span of 5 hours before the DA eventually tossed the case... does that sound like a proper investigation to you? A lead detective succumbing to 'pressure'? Was he a kid at recess being triple dog dared to eat a worm?

Kind of makes sense now why the special prosecutor was called in to do a proper investigation which, once again, ironically came to same exact conclusion as Serino's peer pressure original charges.

Here, read for yourself:
New Zimmerman evidence: Serino changed final report four times in five hours

December 12, 2012|By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
SANFORD – After Chris Serino, the Sanford police detective who led the investigation into the Trayvon Martin shooting death, wrote the most important police report in the case, he revised it at least four times.

And he made at least one huge change: He initially said George Zimmerman should be charged with second-degree murder, then changed course and recommended a charge of manslaughter, according to a prosecutor and new list of evidence.

Serino made all those revisions to the report summarizing his findings during one five-hour stretch on March 13, according to a newly released evidence list.

In the first two drafts, according to Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda, Serino wrote that he had probable cause to recommend a second-degree-murder charge. Then, over the next hour, he changed the report twice more and in his final version wrote that the evidence supported the lesser charge.

One of Serino's supervisors, Sanford police Capt. Bob O'Connor, said in a July 3 interview that everyone in Serino's chain of command agreed with the investigator's conclusion. Serino's direct supervisor, then-Sgt. Randy Smith, also signed the final version.

Each version was turned over to defense attorneys Tuesday, although they have not yet been made public. That should happen in the next few weeks.

Zimmerman, a former Neighborhood Watch volunteer, is free on $1 million bail, awaiting trial on a charge of second-degree murder. He says he acted in self-defense when he killed the unarmed teen Feb. 26 after calling Sanford police and describing him as suspicious.

Prosecutors say 29-year-old Zimmerman is guilty of profiling a 17-year-old whom he assumed was about to commit a crime, following him and committing murder.

Cop did what he was told

The new evidence list shows that on March 13, the day Sanford police surrendered the case to the Office of Seminole-Brevard State Attorney Norm Wolfinger, Serino went to great lengths to polish and revise the final report.

It was a time of extraordinary pressure on the department. National civil-rights leaders were accusing Sanford officers of racism and sloppy police work.

There were rallies and marches in Sanford and across the country, and political leaders were pressuring the department to make an arrest.

But police did not have enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman, they said at the time and have repeated ever since. Former police Chief Bill Lee Jr. and other senior officers said that would have been a violation of his civil rights, so their solution: dump it on Wolfinger.

For the state attorney to take over the investigation, however, police had to file the right paperwork, Lee wrote in an email to the Orlando Sentinel in July.

That includes a charging recommendation, Lee wrote, and as lead investigator, that task fell to Serino.

He did what he was told, according to O'Connor. Just above Serino's signature, the veteran investigator wrote, "I believe there exists probable cause for issuance of a capias charging George Michael Zimmerman with manslaughter."

O'Connor told the Sentinel in July, "Basically, the implied order was, 'Get it out the door'… We wrote up what we had, the context of what we had … with the understanding that there was still insufficient evidence for the State Attorney to charge."

On Tuesday, de la Rionda handed the much-revised Serino report to defense attorneys, saying he had received it recently from Serino's attorney, Jose Baez, who advised them that it would likely help Zimmerman.

It's not clear, however, that it will.

Wolfinger was in charge of the investigation less than two weeks when Gov. Rick Scott handed it over to Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, the elected state attorney in Jacksonville.

Her investigators, helped by agents with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, re-interviewed old witnesses, found new ones, collected crime lab reports and arrested Zimmerman April 11 on a charge of second-degree murder.


They came up with their own probable-cause affidavit, and the following day Seminole County Judge Mark Herr signed off on it.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...-degree-murder
Nothing about the above sets off red flags to you?

this is all consistent with what he just said .. he kept dropping the charges because the more he found out and the more he analyzed it, the more he kept concluding there was really nothing on zimmerman .. so it makes sense that he just said he was pressured into moving forward with the case

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Old 07-01-2013, 06:59 PM   #4302
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:03 PM   #4303
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this is all consistent with what he just said .. he kept dropping the charges because the more he found out and the more he analyzed it, the more he kept concluding there was really nothing on zimmerman .. so it makes sense that he just said he was pressured into moving forward with the case

Yeah, that's not what happened.

Read the damn article. The first two drafts of his affidavit said he had probable cause for second degree murder charges. It wasn't until he gave it to his superiors that same day that it was edited several times within a 4-5 hr span in an effort to 'get it out the door' and pass it off to the DA. So unless you're telling me that Det. Serino 'analyzed' and got new info within that 5 hr window that made him change his mind about the murder charges... story doesn't check out.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:05 PM   #4304
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Can't wait to post on here when the jury rightfully finds Zimmerman not guilty.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:25 PM   #4305
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your point?...the last Pride OWGP ..Mirko Crocop won.....he beat Barnett who weighs 30+lbs more....according to your criteria...shouldn't have hppened...

My criteria? What are you talking about? The HW division allows for a difference of about 60 pounds, but it's different when you get to that point in weight classes. Weight can become a burden. The HW division is known for shitty cardio and slow (I guess I should say 'slower') fighters. You seem to think weight isn't a big deal, however the top fighters in various weight classes disagree. There's a number of guys who have dropped weight classes because they felt the guys were too big/strong for them.

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and the smallest Fighter in the tournament was Minowa man.....who is notorious for beting upBigger fighters

I'm a Minowaman fan. He beats big, unskilled fighters. Some think his fights are works, but whatever.

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Modern MMA infuse weight classes to appeal to mainstream and be able to get licenses In most states.

It's called 'safety'.

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Silva Fought LHW who walk around at 260- 270lbs

Like who? Griffin might have been the biggest guy he fought, and he walked around at 240. Silva also isn't very interested in fighting at LHW.

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what's your point?....He faught Bigger stronger Men...and Knocked out rather easily......very easily.

For one thing, you're talking about a guy who is probably the greatest fighter in the history of the sport. He's much more the exception than the rule.

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They faught everyone.....or anyone who wanted to Fight.....They tried to Fight anybody who was willing.....and still do.

Not true, but I don't want to further to derail the thread.
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