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Old 07-01-2013, 08:23 PM   #4306
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are you watching the trial ? what kind of case does the state have so far ? do you think they've proven 2nd degree murder after having 30+ witnesses on the stand ? come on now .. get with the program .. the state didn't have shit on gz .. this is all political .. stop acting dumb

I thought that all of George's inconsistencies and the illogical points of his many stories were on full display today. Serino may say he thinks George is telling the truth now, but we KNOW he claimed, twice, that he had probable cause for second degree murder charges.

I'm just wondering how that happens. If you want to claim 'pressure' then that means the SPD completely bungled the case and the Governor was right to put real investigators on the case.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:27 PM   #4307
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I thought that all of George's inconsistencies and the illogical points of his many stories were on full display today. Serino may say he thinks George is telling the truth now, but we KNOW he claimed, twice, that he had probable cause for second degree murder charges.

I'm just wondering how that happens. If you want to claim 'pressure' then that means the SPD completely bungled the case and the Governor was right to put real investigators on the case.

yes and we also KNOW he lowered the charges .. either way .. again I ask you .. if the state has such a strong case for 2ND DEGREE MURDER, wtf are they getting slaughtered during the presentation of their own case ? turning on their own witnesses ? it's pretty ridiculous
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:32 PM   #4308
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yes and we also KNOW he lowered the charges .. either way .. again I ask you .. if the state has such a strong case for 2ND DEGREE MURDER, wtf are they getting slaughtered during the presentation of their own case ? turning on their own witnesses ? it's pretty ridiculous

Even the lesser charges were for manslaughter, so he (his superiors) still wanted Zim to be charged. But his superiors admitted it was all an attempt to pawn off the case on the DA which sounds... unethical at best. The real investigators, Det. Osteen and Det. Gilbreath from the Special Prosecutors office will show the real objective evidence along with the forensics and ballistics experts.

For now, the investigators interrogations will have a huge effect on the jury (especially when they review it later) because it shows just how illogical his multiple stories are. And there's also the part where Zim says 'it doesn't even sound like me' when played the audio recording of the screams. They may try to pass it off as just interrogation techniques now, but it's clear from the tapes and from the affidavits that they didn't believe him.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:41 PM   #4309
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Even the lesser charges were for manslaughter, so he (his superiors) still wanted Zim to be charged. But his superiors admitted it was all an attempt to pawn off the case on the DA which sounds... unethical at best. The real investigators, Det. Osteen and Det. Gilbreath from the Special Prosecutors office will show the real objective evidence along with the forensics and ballistics experts.

For now, the investigators interrogations will have a huge effect on the jury (especially when they review it later) because it shows just how illogical his multiple stories are. And there's also the part where Zim says 'it doesn't even sound like me' when played the audio recording of the screams. They may try to pass it off as just interrogation techniques now, but it's clear from the tapes and from the affidavits that they didn't believe him.

all they need is reasonable doubt .. and there's plenty as of right now and we're still on the prosecution's case .. the prosecution is in deep shit
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:44 PM   #4310
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all they need is reasonable doubt .. and there's plenty as of right now and we're still on the prosecution's case .. the prosecution is in deep shit

You haven't even seen any real evidence, just conflicting witness testimony and investigators who originally wanted 2nd degree murder charges but were later kicked off the case because of incompetence (Serino is no longer a detective btw, was downgraded to beat cop after this fiasco).

Just keep watching.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:57 PM   #4311
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"But Zimmerman told Serino he only got out of his car because he could not tell police the name of the street where he had last seen Martin, even though the Retreat at Twin Lakes housing complex where he lived has only three streets."

At one point, Zimmerman told police Martin approached his vehicle, which had been following him, partly circling it on foot before coming to a stop about a car length away. But Zimmerman rolled up his car window and ignored Martin, while speaking with a non-emergency police dispatcher.

"He wasn't within ear shot and I didn't want to confront him," Zimmerman said, when asked why he hadn't used that opportunity to say he was a neighborhood watchman.

"Zimmerman told police that he didn't even know he had killed Martin, with a lone hollow-point bullet round pumped into his chest at point blank range, until he was brought into police headquarters for questioning."

On the stand, Serino said there were "things that didn't quite add up," about Zimmerman's account, including his failure to remember the names of the three streets where he lived.

Though Zimmerman shot Martin through the heart with his 9mm Kel-Tec semi-automatic pistol, killing him almost instantly, Zimmerman also told police that the youth continued to talk after being shot.

"You got me," he quoted Martin as saying, moments after he was shot. "He was still talking and I was on top of him," he added.

Says he has a terrible memory but constantly says he knows everybody who lives there but somehow can't remember the three streets in the neighborhood? and the number pattern from East to West?

Everybody who hears the screaming and then shot is stunned at the deafening silence afterwards. Except the guy underneath the victim?

Anybody here really believe Trayvon kind of circled the car and Zim rolled up the windows? Every time a witness described the initial auditory confrontation it was definitely a Zimmerman introduction of aggression.

Then he conveniently straddles the non dead corpse. I think he's a liar.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:57 PM   #4312
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I strongly disagree with anyone who favors the prosecution's case after watching the first 6 days of this trial and thinks they're in the lead.

I'd say they've done a pretty shitty job so far. Most of the witnesses they've called have either been turned to the defense's advantage or been riddled with reasonable doubt.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:02 PM   #4313
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From what I was able to hear, this was a pretty good day for the defense. I didn't get to hear the prosecutors.
I was listening to a local TV stations coverage and they had a lawyers who said the prosecution made a mistake today and they could have held back on some of the evidence they showed the jury (I think it was parts of the police interviews) and then the only way it could the defense could have gotten it before the jury was to have Zimmerman take the stand. He said now there is now way that zimmerman would take the stand.

The prosecution has this kind of no strategy and preparation feel to them. I have said this before. They are kind of like lets just do this.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:03 PM   #4314
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Says he has a terrible memory but constantly says he knows everybody who lives there but somehow can't remember the three streets in the neighborhood? and the number pattern from East to West?

Everybody who hears the screaming and then shot is stunned at the deafening silence afterwards. Except the guy underneath the victim?

Anybody here really believe Trayvon kind of circled the car and Zim rolled up the windows? Every time a witness described the initial auditory confrontation it was definitely a Zimmerman introduction of aggression.

Then he conveniently straddles the non dead corpse. I think he's a liar.

None of his story(stories) made any sense whatsoever and the funny thing is that the interrogation tapes revealed all of that. If Martin was still talking (impossible with both his lungs collapsing immediately and his chest cavity filling with blood) and interacting with him, why did he stop yelling for help immediately after the shot fired? He even claimed before that he didn't even think he hit Martin with the bullet... yet he stops yelling for help at that exact moment, holsters his weapon.

Makes absolutely no sense.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:10 PM   #4315
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I'm eagerly waiting for the end of this trial and the verdict to see how people react if he's found not guilty

I think I would be most surprised if he was found guilty of second-degree murder. I think there's too much up in the air to be able to say definitively one way or another. I'm sure there will be plenty of people outraged regardless of the outcome. I'd be more interested in what the jury has to say after the trial.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:28 PM   #4316
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None of his story(stories) made any sense whatsoever and the funny thing is that the interrogation tapes revealed all of that. If Martin was still talking (impossible with both his lungs collapsing immediately and his chest cavity filling with blood) and interacting with him, why did he stop yelling for help immediately after the shot fired? He even claimed before that he didn't even think he hit Martin with the bullet... yet he stops yelling for help at that exact moment, holsters his weapon.

Makes absolutely no sense.

To play devil's advocate. It makes no sense to you because you have your mind made up, you've decided beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty and that's why you have trouble making the pieces fit.

Example all the real experts say there's no way to tell who's calling for help, yet you are 100% certain it's Martin despite the fact nobody on the planet can say for sure.

If it's Zimmerman calling for help he stops screaming because obviously he doesn't need help anymore with Martin down.

If it's Martin crying out then the answer is fairly obvious why the screaming stopped

I think at this time it's wise for everybody to let it play out. All the testimony we were supposed to hear that would show Zimmerman was clearly in the wrong hasn't materialized yet. I think what we're seeing is the internet is a great place to spread misinformation but when the witnesses are on the stand the stories being told under oath are different than the ones we were told we'd hear

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Old 07-01-2013, 09:36 PM   #4317
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I strongly disagree with anyone who favors the prosecution's case after watching the first 6 days of this trial and thinks they're in the lead.

I'd say they've done a pretty shitty job so far. Most of the witnesses they've called have either been turned to the defense's advantage or been riddled with reasonable doubt.


Honestly, both sides have done a shitty job. It's coming down to who f*cks up the least, which has clearly been the defense so far.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:44 PM   #4318
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Honestly, both sides have done a shitty job. It's coming down to who f*cks up the least, which has clearly been the defense so far.

This. All the defense has proven is a bunch of maybes. I'd like to see what the ballastics evidence shows to support Zimmerman's version of events. I don't think the prosecution was looking to build this case on the testimony of witnesses.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:49 PM   #4319
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This. All the defense has proven is a bunch of maybes. I'd like to see what the ballastics evidence shows to support Zimmerman's version of events. I don't think the prosecution was looking to build this case on the testimony of witnesses.
What do you expect to see from Ballistics?
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:52 PM   #4320
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None of his story(stories) made any sense whatsoever and the funny thing is that the interrogation tapes revealed all of that. If Martin was still talking (impossible with both his lungs collapsing immediately and his chest cavity filling with blood) and interacting with him, why did he stop yelling for help immediately after the shot fired? He even claimed before that he didn't even think he hit Martin with the bullet... yet he stops yelling for help at that exact moment, holsters his weapon.

Makes absolutely no sense.

It's a pretty amazing statement. You shoot someone almost dead center in the chest from a very short distance and you think you miss?

The other part that makes no sense is, someone is on mounted on top of your chest. You shoot them in the chest, and you don't remember how you get out from under him. Presumably the guy you shot is dying on top on you and falls on your chest, this doesn't stick in your mind?

Seems like it might be the most memorable moment of the night.
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