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Old 07-01-2013, 09:52 PM   #4321
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None of his story(stories) made any sense whatsoever and the funny thing is that the interrogation tapes revealed all of that. If Martin was still talking (impossible with both his lungs collapsing immediately and his chest cavity filling with blood) and interacting with him, why did he stop yelling for help immediately after the shot fired? He even claimed before that he didn't even think he hit Martin with the bullet... yet he stops yelling for help at that exact moment, holsters his weapon.

Makes absolutely no sense.

It's a pretty amazing statement. You shoot someone almost dead center in the chest from a very short distance and you think you miss?

The other part that makes no sense is, someone is on mounted on top of your chest. You shoot them in the chest, and you don't remember how you get out from under him. Presumably the guy you shot is dying on top on you and falls on your chest, this doesn't stick in your mind?

Seems like it might be the most memorable moment of the night.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:26 PM   #4322
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It's a pretty amazing statement. You shoot someone almost dead center in the chest from a very short distance and you think you miss?
The distance between the barrel of the gun and his chest was actually no distance. The contact would have to be 1 inch tops but more than likely no distance at all.

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The other part that makes no sense is, someone is on mounted on top of your chest. You shoot them in the chest, and you don't remember how you get out from under him. Presumably the guy you shot is dying on top on you and falls on your chest, this doesn't stick in your mind?

Seems like it might be the most memorable moment of the night.
GM gives the impression he was drunk or on some hallucinogen. If the police were on the job, all of this dramatic movie nonsense should have made them think of a toxicology test. Even looking at him listening to the tapes today, he listens like it wasn't him.

Also the high energy desperate screams would keep sometype of momentum if he thought his assailant was still alive. It would not have stopped cold like somebody shot him in the lungs at close range and killed him.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:29 PM   #4323
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Honestly, both sides have done a shitty job.

I don't know. I think O'Mara brilliantly laid out the absence of depraved mind and malice today that will be needed for a murder conviction.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:34 PM   #4324
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The distance between the barrel of the gun and his chest was actually no distance. The contact would have to be 1 inch tops but more than likely no distance at all.


GM gives the impression he was drunk or on some hallucinogen. If the police were on the job, all of this dramatic movie nonsense should have made them think of a toxicology test. Even looking at him listening to the tapes today, he listens like it wasn't him.

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This often happens in extremely high stress situations..
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:48 PM   #4325
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that defense got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

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Old 07-01-2013, 10:52 PM   #4326
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that prosecution got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

Yeah, I'm watching that too.

Two or three of them said they'd never seen a lead investigator's testimony come out this pro-defendant as Serino came off pro-Zimmerman. He seemed like a witness called by the defense, not the prosecution.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:54 PM   #4327
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that prosecution got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

Do you mean the defense got a gift? Otherwise I don't understand this post
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:01 PM   #4328
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Also it looks like CNN aired Zimmermna's SS# on TV.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013...-number-on-tv/

Between this and the defamation of character suit he'll file against NBC for doctoring the 911 audio he's gonna be so fcking rich when this is all over
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:03 PM   #4329
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Yeah, I'm watching that too.

Two or three of them said they'd never seen a lead investigator's testimony come out this pro-defendant as Serino came off pro-Zimmerman. He seemed like a witness called by the defense, not the prosecution.

Haven't most of these witnesses?
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:04 PM   #4330
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Haven't most of these witnesses?

Definitely.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:06 PM   #4331
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Do you mean the defense got a gift? Otherwise I don't understand this post

Edited my post. Thanks
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:46 PM   #4332
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You haven't even seen any real evidence, just conflicting witness testimony and investigators who originally wanted 2nd degree murder charges but were later kicked off the case because of incompetence (Serino is no longer a detective btw, was downgraded to beat cop after this fiasco).

Just keep watching.

This is a very hard case for the prosecutors because they are charging him with murder 2 with virtually no evidence to back it up. There's simply not enough evidence to prove beyond any reasonable doubt and the prosecution overreached on the charges like they did with Casey Anthony. They have no evidence Zimmerman chased him. Following him with the intent to harm him and satisfying the dispatcher's request of "He ran? Which way did he run to?" are two very different things. Assuming someone is acting suspicious and following them isn't a crime in Florida, or any other state that I'm aware of. So sure, there was probably some bad judgement here, but nothing Zimmerman did prior to the altercation was illegal per say.

During a bond hearing the prosecutors flat out admitted they have no evidence of who started the fight. Their entire case is very circumstantial and relies heavily on Martin's girlfriend's statement of what she heard over the phone shortly before the confrontation. She offers very little in terms of what was going on at the time, and seems to think she heard, over a cell phone, Zimmerman push Martin down before the phone went dead.

I just don't think they can or will present enough credible evidence to the jury to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Zimmerman chased Martin with the intent to harm him and then proceeded to started a physical altercation with him. There simply isn't enough evidence available to do so and inevitably that will lead to doubt among the jury and in the end, an acquittal for Zimmerman.

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Old 07-01-2013, 11:51 PM   #4333
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Did the prosecution not talk to any of these witnesses before putting them on the stand? This is a nightmare. They're taking a beating on their own witnesses.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:59 PM   #4334
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that defense got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

The cops are in a situation where they didn't do a lot of things they should have done (arrest, toxicology, questioning, delay of getting detective on the case, informing family, changing of paperwork, leading witnesses as to who was screaming) they kind of know they have to cover-up a monstrosity of bad police work. The prosecution is looking bad largely on part of not knowing what the bear minimum is of what they are supposed to get out of each witness. Rare to see cops act like that in court. The prosecution looks unorganized to me.
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:03 AM   #4335
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GZ will end up having a price put on his head by some black gang...dead in 2 years tops.

Karma a mofukka

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