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Old 07-01-2013, 09:28 PM   #4321
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None of his story(stories) made any sense whatsoever and the funny thing is that the interrogation tapes revealed all of that. If Martin was still talking (impossible with both his lungs collapsing immediately and his chest cavity filling with blood) and interacting with him, why did he stop yelling for help immediately after the shot fired? He even claimed before that he didn't even think he hit Martin with the bullet... yet he stops yelling for help at that exact moment, holsters his weapon.

Makes absolutely no sense.

To play devil's advocate. It makes no sense to you because you have your mind made up, you've decided beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty and that's why you have trouble making the pieces fit.

Example all the real experts say there's no way to tell who's calling for help, yet you are 100% certain it's Martin despite the fact nobody on the planet can say for sure.

If it's Zimmerman calling for help he stops screaming because obviously he doesn't need help anymore with Martin down.

If it's Martin crying out then the answer is fairly obvious why the screaming stopped

I think at this time it's wise for everybody to let it play out. All the testimony we were supposed to hear that would show Zimmerman was clearly in the wrong hasn't materialized yet. I think what we're seeing is the internet is a great place to spread misinformation but when the witnesses are on the stand the stories being told under oath are different than the ones we were told we'd hear

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Old 07-01-2013, 09:36 PM   #4322
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I strongly disagree with anyone who favors the prosecution's case after watching the first 6 days of this trial and thinks they're in the lead.

I'd say they've done a pretty shitty job so far. Most of the witnesses they've called have either been turned to the defense's advantage or been riddled with reasonable doubt.


Honestly, both sides have done a shitty job. It's coming down to who f*cks up the least, which has clearly been the defense so far.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:44 PM   #4323
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Honestly, both sides have done a shitty job. It's coming down to who f*cks up the least, which has clearly been the defense so far.

This. All the defense has proven is a bunch of maybes. I'd like to see what the ballastics evidence shows to support Zimmerman's version of events. I don't think the prosecution was looking to build this case on the testimony of witnesses.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:49 PM   #4324
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This. All the defense has proven is a bunch of maybes. I'd like to see what the ballastics evidence shows to support Zimmerman's version of events. I don't think the prosecution was looking to build this case on the testimony of witnesses.
What do you expect to see from Ballistics?
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:52 PM   #4325
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None of his story(stories) made any sense whatsoever and the funny thing is that the interrogation tapes revealed all of that. If Martin was still talking (impossible with both his lungs collapsing immediately and his chest cavity filling with blood) and interacting with him, why did he stop yelling for help immediately after the shot fired? He even claimed before that he didn't even think he hit Martin with the bullet... yet he stops yelling for help at that exact moment, holsters his weapon.

Makes absolutely no sense.

It's a pretty amazing statement. You shoot someone almost dead center in the chest from a very short distance and you think you miss?

The other part that makes no sense is, someone is on mounted on top of your chest. You shoot them in the chest, and you don't remember how you get out from under him. Presumably the guy you shot is dying on top on you and falls on your chest, this doesn't stick in your mind?

Seems like it might be the most memorable moment of the night.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:26 PM   #4326
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It's a pretty amazing statement. You shoot someone almost dead center in the chest from a very short distance and you think you miss?
The distance between the barrel of the gun and his chest was actually no distance. The contact would have to be 1 inch tops but more than likely no distance at all.

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The other part that makes no sense is, someone is on mounted on top of your chest. You shoot them in the chest, and you don't remember how you get out from under him. Presumably the guy you shot is dying on top on you and falls on your chest, this doesn't stick in your mind?

Seems like it might be the most memorable moment of the night.
GM gives the impression he was drunk or on some hallucinogen. If the police were on the job, all of this dramatic movie nonsense should have made them think of a toxicology test. Even looking at him listening to the tapes today, he listens like it wasn't him.

Also the high energy desperate screams would keep sometype of momentum if he thought his assailant was still alive. It would not have stopped cold like somebody shot him in the lungs at close range and killed him.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:29 PM   #4327
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Honestly, both sides have done a shitty job.

I don't know. I think O'Mara brilliantly laid out the absence of depraved mind and malice today that will be needed for a murder conviction.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:34 PM   #4328
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The distance between the barrel of the gun and his chest was actually no distance. The contact would have to be 1 inch tops but more than likely no distance at all.


GM gives the impression he was drunk or on some hallucinogen. If the police were on the job, all of this dramatic movie nonsense should have made them think of a toxicology test. Even looking at him listening to the tapes today, he listens like it wasn't him.

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This often happens in extremely high stress situations..
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:48 PM   #4329
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that defense got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

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Old 07-01-2013, 10:52 PM   #4330
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that prosecution got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

Yeah, I'm watching that too.

Two or three of them said they'd never seen a lead investigator's testimony come out this pro-defendant as Serino came off pro-Zimmerman. He seemed like a witness called by the defense, not the prosecution.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:54 PM   #4331
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that prosecution got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

Do you mean the defense got a gift? Otherwise I don't understand this post
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:01 PM   #4332
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Also it looks like CNN aired Zimmermna's SS# on TV.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013...-number-on-tv/

Between this and the defamation of character suit he'll file against NBC for doctoring the 911 audio he's gonna be so fcking rich when this is all over
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:03 PM   #4333
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Yeah, I'm watching that too.

Two or three of them said they'd never seen a lead investigator's testimony come out this pro-defendant as Serino came off pro-Zimmerman. He seemed like a witness called by the defense, not the prosecution.

Haven't most of these witnesses?
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Haven't most of these witnesses?

Definitely.
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Do you mean the defense got a gift? Otherwise I don't understand this post

Edited my post. Thanks
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