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Old 07-01-2013, 10:52 PM   #4336
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that prosecution got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

Yeah, I'm watching that too.

Two or three of them said they'd never seen a lead investigator's testimony come out this pro-defendant as Serino came off pro-Zimmerman. He seemed like a witness called by the defense, not the prosecution.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:54 PM   #4337
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that prosecution got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

Do you mean the defense got a gift? Otherwise I don't understand this post
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:01 PM   #4338
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Also it looks like CNN aired Zimmermna's SS# on TV.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013...-number-on-tv/

Between this and the defamation of character suit he'll file against NBC for doctoring the 911 audio he's gonna be so fcking rich when this is all over
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:03 PM   #4339
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Yeah, I'm watching that too.

Two or three of them said they'd never seen a lead investigator's testimony come out this pro-defendant as Serino came off pro-Zimmerman. He seemed like a witness called by the defense, not the prosecution.

Haven't most of these witnesses?
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Haven't most of these witnesses?

Definitely.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:06 PM   #4341
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Do you mean the defense got a gift? Otherwise I don't understand this post

Edited my post. Thanks
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:46 PM   #4342
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You haven't even seen any real evidence, just conflicting witness testimony and investigators who originally wanted 2nd degree murder charges but were later kicked off the case because of incompetence (Serino is no longer a detective btw, was downgraded to beat cop after this fiasco).

Just keep watching.

This is a very hard case for the prosecutors because they are charging him with murder 2 with virtually no evidence to back it up. There's simply not enough evidence to prove beyond any reasonable doubt and the prosecution overreached on the charges like they did with Casey Anthony. They have no evidence Zimmerman chased him. Following him with the intent to harm him and satisfying the dispatcher's request of "He ran? Which way did he run to?" are two very different things. Assuming someone is acting suspicious and following them isn't a crime in Florida, or any other state that I'm aware of. So sure, there was probably some bad judgement here, but nothing Zimmerman did prior to the altercation was illegal per say.

During a bond hearing the prosecutors flat out admitted they have no evidence of who started the fight. Their entire case is very circumstantial and relies heavily on Martin's girlfriend's statement of what she heard over the phone shortly before the confrontation. She offers very little in terms of what was going on at the time, and seems to think she heard, over a cell phone, Zimmerman push Martin down before the phone went dead.

I just don't think they can or will present enough credible evidence to the jury to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Zimmerman chased Martin with the intent to harm him and then proceeded to started a physical altercation with him. There simply isn't enough evidence available to do so and inevitably that will lead to doubt among the jury and in the end, an acquittal for Zimmerman.

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Old 07-01-2013, 11:51 PM   #4343
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Did the prosecution not talk to any of these witnesses before putting them on the stand? This is a nightmare. They're taking a beating on their own witnesses.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:59 PM   #4344
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that defense got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

The cops are in a situation where they didn't do a lot of things they should have done (arrest, toxicology, questioning, delay of getting detective on the case, informing family, changing of paperwork, leading witnesses as to who was screaming) they kind of know they have to cover-up a monstrosity of bad police work. The prosecution is looking bad largely on part of not knowing what the bear minimum is of what they are supposed to get out of each witness. Rare to see cops act like that in court. The prosecution looks unorganized to me.
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:03 AM   #4345
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GZ will end up having a price put on his head by some black gang...dead in 2 years tops.

Karma a mofukka

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Old 07-02-2013, 02:10 AM   #4346
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GZ will end up having a price put on his head by some black gang...dead in 2 years tops.

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..And if he actually was acting in self-defense, then what?
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:15 AM   #4347
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GZ will end up having a price put on his head by some black gang...dead in 2 years tops.

Karma a mofukka
Like black gangs give a shit about some random kid, they kill more teenage black kids than anyone else. Not like they got honor or a code, it's just business and why would they waste money out of their pocket for someone they don't even know.

Zimmerman isn't gonna walk, too much political pressure for him not to get the hammer no matter how good his defense is.

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Old 07-02-2013, 02:15 AM   #4348
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You haven't even seen any real evidence, just conflicting witness testimony and investigators who originally wanted 2nd degree murder charges but were later kicked off the case because of incompetence (Serino is no longer a detective btw, was downgraded to beat cop after this fiasco).

Just keep watching.


He's actually back to being a detective again in the major crimes unit. The only reason he was demoted because he refused to play ball with people pressuring him to change his story and alter his investigation.


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The lead Sanford Police investigator who sought manslaughter charges against George Zimmerman told the FBI that a sergeant and two other officers tried to pressure him into making an arrest in the controversial case ó even though he didnít think there was enough evidence.


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/1...#storylink=cpy



This whole case has been and continues to be one big witch hunt.
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Did the prosecution not talk to any of these witnesses before putting them on the stand? This is a nightmare. They're taking a beating on their own witnesses.


The prosecution is doing fine, it's just that the evidence and witnesses don't justify anything more than a charge of involuntary manslaughter, which Serino recommended in the first place. Murder two has long left the train station, so at this point its either involuntary manslaughter or acquittal for Zimmerman.
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:30 AM   #4350
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GZ will end up having a price put on his head by some black gang...dead in 2 years tops.

Karma a mofukka

the "new" black panthers already put a ten thousand dollar bounty on zim, though nothing has ever been proven....but that isnt racist at all and is fully fine
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