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Old 07-01-2013, 11:46 PM   #4336
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You haven't even seen any real evidence, just conflicting witness testimony and investigators who originally wanted 2nd degree murder charges but were later kicked off the case because of incompetence (Serino is no longer a detective btw, was downgraded to beat cop after this fiasco).

Just keep watching.

This is a very hard case for the prosecutors because they are charging him with murder 2 with virtually no evidence to back it up. There's simply not enough evidence to prove beyond any reasonable doubt and the prosecution overreached on the charges like they did with Casey Anthony. They have no evidence Zimmerman chased him. Following him with the intent to harm him and satisfying the dispatcher's request of "He ran? Which way did he run to?" are two very different things. Assuming someone is acting suspicious and following them isn't a crime in Florida, or any other state that I'm aware of. So sure, there was probably some bad judgement here, but nothing Zimmerman did prior to the altercation was illegal per say.

During a bond hearing the prosecutors flat out admitted they have no evidence of who started the fight. Their entire case is very circumstantial and relies heavily on Martin's girlfriend's statement of what she heard over the phone shortly before the confrontation. She offers very little in terms of what was going on at the time, and seems to think she heard, over a cell phone, Zimmerman push Martin down before the phone went dead.

I just don't think they can or will present enough credible evidence to the jury to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Zimmerman chased Martin with the intent to harm him and then proceeded to started a physical altercation with him. There simply isn't enough evidence available to do so and inevitably that will lead to doubt among the jury and in the end, an acquittal for Zimmerman.

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Old 07-01-2013, 11:51 PM   #4337
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Did the prosecution not talk to any of these witnesses before putting them on the stand? This is a nightmare. They're taking a beating on their own witnesses.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:59 PM   #4338
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Watching CNN right now. Pretty much everyone is saying that defense got a gift today from the cops. One guy pretty much thinks it's over. The cops, are pretty much assholes being character witnesses for the Zimmerman. The legal experts are saying they've never seen this happen before.

The cops are in a situation where they didn't do a lot of things they should have done (arrest, toxicology, questioning, delay of getting detective on the case, informing family, changing of paperwork, leading witnesses as to who was screaming) they kind of know they have to cover-up a monstrosity of bad police work. The prosecution is looking bad largely on part of not knowing what the bear minimum is of what they are supposed to get out of each witness. Rare to see cops act like that in court. The prosecution looks unorganized to me.
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:03 AM   #4339
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GZ will end up having a price put on his head by some black gang...dead in 2 years tops.

Karma a mofukka

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Old 07-02-2013, 02:10 AM   #4340
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GZ will end up having a price put on his head by some black gang...dead in 2 years tops.

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..And if he actually was acting in self-defense, then what?
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:15 AM   #4341
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GZ will end up having a price put on his head by some black gang...dead in 2 years tops.

Karma a mofukka
Like black gangs give a shit about some random kid, they kill more teenage black kids than anyone else. Not like they got honor or a code, it's just business and why would they waste money out of their pocket for someone they don't even know.

Zimmerman isn't gonna walk, too much political pressure for him not to get the hammer no matter how good his defense is.

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Old 07-02-2013, 02:15 AM   #4342
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You haven't even seen any real evidence, just conflicting witness testimony and investigators who originally wanted 2nd degree murder charges but were later kicked off the case because of incompetence (Serino is no longer a detective btw, was downgraded to beat cop after this fiasco).

Just keep watching.


He's actually back to being a detective again in the major crimes unit. The only reason he was demoted because he refused to play ball with people pressuring him to change his story and alter his investigation.


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The lead Sanford Police investigator who sought manslaughter charges against George Zimmerman told the FBI that a sergeant and two other officers tried to pressure him into making an arrest in the controversial case ó even though he didnít think there was enough evidence.


Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/1...#storylink=cpy



This whole case has been and continues to be one big witch hunt.
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Old 07-02-2013, 02:18 AM   #4343
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Did the prosecution not talk to any of these witnesses before putting them on the stand? This is a nightmare. They're taking a beating on their own witnesses.


The prosecution is doing fine, it's just that the evidence and witnesses don't justify anything more than a charge of involuntary manslaughter, which Serino recommended in the first place. Murder two has long left the train station, so at this point its either involuntary manslaughter or acquittal for Zimmerman.
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:30 AM   #4344
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GZ will end up having a price put on his head by some black gang...dead in 2 years tops.

Karma a mofukka

the "new" black panthers already put a ten thousand dollar bounty on zim, though nothing has ever been proven....but that isnt racist at all and is fully fine
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:42 AM   #4345
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zimmerman will be acquitted .. unless the jury relies on their sympathies for tm .. it's possible .. but I think he'll be acquitted .. and then .. get ready for the shit storm
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:21 AM   #4346
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This is a very hard case for the prosecutors because they are charging him with murder 2 with virtually no evidence to back it up. There's simply not enough evidence to prove beyond any reasonable doubt and the prosecution overreached on the charges like they did with Casey Anthony. They have no evidence Zimmerman chased him. Following him with the intent to harm him and satisfying the dispatcher's request of "He ran? Which way did he run to?" are two very different things. Assuming someone is acting suspicious and following them isn't a crime in Florida, or any other state that I'm aware of. So sure, there was probably some bad judgement here, but nothing Zimmerman did prior to the altercation was illegal per say.

During a bond hearing the prosecutors flat out admitted they have no evidence of who started the fight. Their entire case is very circumstantial and relies heavily on Martin's girlfriend's statement of what she heard over the phone shortly before the confrontation. She offers very little in terms of what was going on at the time, and seems to think she heard, over a cell phone, Zimmerman push Martin down before the phone went dead.

I just don't think they can or will present enough credible evidence to the jury to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Zimmerman chased Martin with the intent to harm him and then proceeded to started a physical altercation with him. There simply isn't enough evidence available to do so and inevitably that will lead to doubt among the jury and in the end, an acquittal for Zimmerman.

Agreed. The prosecutors are a bunch of idiots. If I was them, I would pull a page out of Cochran's law book, "If the glove doesn't fit, then you must aquit."

Cochran keyed on one piece of evidence and played it over and over like a broken record with a nice catch phrase to boot.

I know he was on the defense, but the prosecution could do the same thing by playing that audio over and over again.

In the audio, we have a boy screaming for his life and was viciously executed. Period. End of story. That should be their entire premise. Keep pounding that over and over again, and surely the jurors would be moved by that simple bottomline.

We're dealing with average people and average people don't like to think too much into things. A strong point should be enough to convince any jury pool.

It is a failure of the Trayvon's laywer's Zimmerman might get off. A strategy like that could easily get a 2nd murder conviction at the least (and 1st if they were ambitious enough).

Iamrambo > Trayvon's lawyers
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:37 AM   #4347
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To play devil's advocate. It makes no sense to you because you have your mind made up, you've decided beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty and that's why you have trouble making the pieces fit.

Example all the real experts say there's no way to tell who's calling for help, yet you are 100% certain it's Martin despite the fact nobody on the planet can say for sure.

If it's Zimmerman calling for help he stops screaming because obviously he doesn't need help anymore with Martin down.

If it's Martin crying out then the answer is fairly obvious why the screaming stopped

I think at this time it's wise for everybody to let it play out. All the testimony we were supposed to hear that would show Zimmerman was clearly in the wrong hasn't materialized yet. I think what we're seeing is the internet is a great place to spread misinformation but when the witnesses are on the stand the stories being told under oath are different than the ones we were told we'd hear

Stupid.

To say it is Zimmerman calling for help and then claiming "We don't know for sure" is the dumbest input I have read so far in this thread.

I think you are the one who has made his mind up. Not Dondadda. Trust me, I hate Dondadda, but he has the most logical premise. You're just pulling sh*t out of your a*s.

Don't read too much into it and just stick with reason and evidence.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:24 AM   #4348
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Agreed. The prosecutors are a bunch of idiots. If I was them, I would pull a page out of Cochran's law book, "If the glove doesn't fit, then you must aquit."

Cochran keyed on one piece of evidence and played it over and over like a broken record with a nice catch phrase to boot.

I know he was on the defense, but the prosecution could do the same thing by playing that audio over and over again.

In the audio, we have a boy screaming for his life and was viciously executed. Period. End of story. That should be their entire premise. Keep pounding that over and over again, and surely the jurors would be moved by that simple bottomline.

We're dealing with average people and average people don't like to think too much into things. A strong point should be enough to convince any jury pool.

It is a failure of the Trayvon's laywer's Zimmerman might get off. A strategy like that could easily get a 2nd murder conviction at the least (and 1st if they were ambitious enough).

Iamrambo > Trayvon's lawyers

they can keep pounding that all they want but there's no definitive proof of who was screaming and even less that it was trayvon .. if anything, there's more 'proof' that it was zimmerman courtesy of jonathan good
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:06 AM   #4349
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zimmerman will be acquitted .. unless the jury relies on their sympathies for tm .. it's possible .. but I think he'll be acquitted .. and then .. get ready for the shit storm

Zimmerman will be acquitted. You can count on that.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:47 AM   #4350
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So when does the trial end?

It's pretty hilarious how in USA everything can be made into a damn tv show and a spectacle, even a simple thing like a trial or a tragedy like a school shooting. The media just milks everything they can without any regard for morals.
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