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Old 07-02-2013, 05:32 PM   #4426
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Zim continued to pursue Trayvon even after dispatch told him to stand down.

Wait a minute. If dispatch (which I'm assuming is 911 dispatch, meaning police officer of the law, right?) had already told Zimmerman to back off, wouldn't Zimmerman be legally bound to follow that order? If I'm not mistaken Zimmerman was breaking the law by continuing to pursue Martin, right? If Zimmerman was "in the clear" - still somehow following the law by continuing to follow Martin even after being commanded not to, makes me question the validity of Florida state laws, how they're enforced, not enforced etc.
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:39 PM   #4427
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Wait a minute. If dispatch (which I'm assuming is 911 dispatch, meaning police officer of the law, right?) had already told Zimmerman to back off, wouldn't Zimmerman be legally bound to follow that order? If I'm not mistaken Zimmerman was breaking the law by continuing to pursue Martin, right? If Zimmerman was "in the clear" - still somehow following the law by continuing to follow Martin even after being commanded not to, makes me question the validity of Florida state laws, how they're enforced, not enforced etc.

Not a police officer, and the dispatchers are specifically instructed to not give orders, only to advise. They don't give orders because of possible liability.

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A civilian non-emergency dispatcher asked if he was following the guy, George said yes, and the civilian dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that." George said "okay."

It was not an order, and it was not law enforcement.
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:40 PM   #4428
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such emotion .. it's almost like you're related to tm .. how do you wanna execute gm .. chair or guillotine ? ..

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He saw a teen walking in the rain. You are going to pretend you don't know this?

yes he saw a 'teen' walking in the rain .. you say it as if being a teen is some qualifying or redeeming quality .. it's irrelevant that he's a teen .. teens are quite capable of causing others harm .. he saw what he thought was someone who looked suspicious .. again, we didn't see what he saw ..


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You try to think for Zimmerman and even see a suspicious person for him. He was walking in the rain. Zim sounds a bit nuts but you think its good clear thinking because you think like him.

you keep ignoring relevant facts .. again, they've been having a rash of break ins and home invasions .. that's very serious .. I would be more viligant in my neighborhood if that was happening .. nothing wrong with that .. he saw someone he deemed suspicious .. nothing wrong with that ..

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Did Zim see and profile Trayvon? Did he follow him?

yeah he profiled him .. so what ? .. if I have a bunch of hoodlums causing trouble in my neighborhood, I'm gonna pay extra attention to anyone who looks suspicious around the neighborhood .. yeah he followed him .. more like keeping track of him .. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT .. apparently you have a problem with people wanting to be more vigilant and aware and protective of themselves and their property .. that's your problem .. I'm ok with that ..


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Are you saying his skittles looks just like breaking in tools???

he didn't know anything about skittles .. he saw someone who looked suspicious and called it in .. that's that ..


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Zimmer seen him and incorrectly profiled him.
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and ? .. according to you, he's not supposed to keep an eye out for anyone suspicious because he may incorrectly profile them .. no

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Trayvon did nothing wrong to be profiled

cry me a river .. many of us have been profiled at one time or another .. I've been profiled .. I don't give a shit .. in this day and age, if you're not doing anything, 9 times out of 10, nothing will come of it .. of course if you are, chances are something will ..

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Zim was cursing Trayvon and saying "they always get away" and following him with a gun.

he's expressing his frustration at pos criminals who get away yes .. astute observation .. that doesn't mean he wanted to kill tm

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Zim was told not to follow him but does so anyway.

he was keeping track of him .. not hunting him down to kill him
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:48 PM   #4429
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Zim's injuries were barely visible by the time he was driven to the police station and he denied attempts to take him to the hospital 3X on the way, then several times after that and including not seeing the ENT as his PA suggested.

To prove your point, this photo is what, two hours after the incident?


I wouldn't even realize he had been in a fight based on that photo much less took a beating.
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:49 PM   #4430
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That woman from today was an expert witness working from photographs.

That woman who dealt with the actual injuries testified last week that Zimmerman would have died if the injuries had continued, and that he saved his own life by shooting Martin.

> Zimmerman was being attacked
> Zimmerman feared for his life
> Zimmerman stopped the attack using deadly force

There is nothing more to it than this. Thanks for the red herring though.

You don't wait until your injuries are life threatening to defend yourself, you defend yourself to prevent life threatening injuries happening.

He only had to be injured, with more injuries on the way, to justify defense.

Wrong. These are her exact words:

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“Medically speaking, would you agree that whatever he did to stop the attack allowed him to survive it?” asked O’Mara.

“It could have, potentially, yeah. It depends on the amount of trauma he was sustaining at the time,” said Folgate.

“So, stopping the attack is what allowed him to survive it, would you agree?” asked O’Mara.

“It could have, yes,” said Folgate.

Prosecutor de la Rionda followed up by asking Folgate if she was speculating. She admitted that she wasn’t there that night.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:06 PM   #4431
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:35 PM   #4432
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This woman has opened up a whole box of worms, her background is rich in all kinds of craziness.


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Old 07-02-2013, 06:39 PM   #4433
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And this....this is just priceless.





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Old 07-02-2013, 06:52 PM   #4434
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And this....this is just priceless.






It's a joke, obviously (I think, haha).
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:25 PM   #4435
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And this....this is just priceless.





It's obviously a joke, or did that go over your head?
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:34 PM   #4436
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We should have the entire NSA on trial instead. Why are we paying any attention to this dude
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:25 PM   #4437
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We should have the entire NSA on trial instead. Why are we paying any attention to this dude
So people can focus on petty little things while the government keeps doing what they want and keep everyone's attention on irrelevant shit that the masses will swallow up.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:46 PM   #4438
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Prosecution is finishing up their case either tomorrow or Friday, after that, the defense will begin to present their own case.
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:48 PM   #4439
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yes he saw a 'teen' walking in the rain .. you say it as if being a teen is some qualifying or redeeming quality .. it's irrelevant that he's a teen .. teens are quite capable of causing others harm .. he saw what he thought was someone who looked suspicious .. again, we didn't see what he saw ..
Where is the fact in this? Suspicious because he was a a man walking in the rain with skittles?

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you keep ignoring relevant facts .. again, they've been having a rash of break ins and home invasions .. that's very serious .. I would be more viligant in my neighborhood if that was happening .. nothing wrong with that .. he saw someone he deemed suspicious .. nothing wrong with that ..

Where are the facts? The guy made a dumb observation based on what he heard? Is that the fact for you? It doesn't matter how he came to his dumb observation. Would you want your son to be followed around by a guy with a gun because he didn't know there were robberies in some neighborhood? Even in hindsight you are not smarter than Zimmerman? A guy so dumb that he doesn't know the numbering scheme on a place he lived for more than a year and is a watch for. How many times did he call the police?

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yeah he profiled him .. so what ? .. if I have a bunch of hoodlums causing trouble in my neighborhood, I'm gonna pay extra attention to anyone who looks suspicious around the neighborhood .. yeah he followed him .. more like keeping track of him .. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT .. apparently you have a problem with people wanting to be more vigilant and aware and protective of themselves and their property .. that's your problem .. I'm ok with that ..

I do the work myself. I make the guys on my block pull up their pants and even watch their language. Some of them used to hate me. So I am more vigilant than most. Nonetheless, Zimmerman profiled horribly wrong on a kid with skittles and talking to his friend on the phone. You just admitted he profiled, well that the civil rights suit. The death as a result of, is the ensuing civil suit. Other proof can get him 25 years. But he made his mistakes but it seems like people like you aren't smart enough to learn from them.

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and ? .. according to you, he's not supposed to keep an eye out for anyone suspicious because he may incorrectly profile them .. no

He said Trayvon was walking in the rain. You think everybody who walks in the rain should be profiled and pursued with guns?

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cry me a river .. many of us have been profiled at one time or another .. I've been profiled .. I don't give a shit .. in this day and age, if you're not doing anything, 9 times out of 10, nothing will come of it .. of course if you are, chances are something will ..

So you were profiled for walking in the rain and were shot at.

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he's expressing his frustration at pos criminals who get away yes .. astute observation .. that doesn't mean he wanted to kill tm
You are defending a guy who is angry at the world pursing an innocent kid, thinking the kid is all the guys who get away with crime. The kid wasn't getting away with anything except innocently walking in the rain. This is a fact. In your diseased mind you think you and Zimmerman are right to merge Trayvon with all the guys you fear or got away with a crime. You even said it was "astute" and have said several times this is right. Zimmerman was a madman caught up in the moment... what's your excuse?
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he was keeping track of him .. not hunting him down to kill him

If you have a gun you naturally avoid situations that might cause you to pull it out in a community during family hours unless the stakes are extremely high like a guy that might take others in mass. This clown does it to pursue a guy walking in the rain. So kids were at risk, he ends up killing the guy and by three accounts comes off hostile with the kid when they meet.

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Old 07-02-2013, 11:26 PM   #4440
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Yup, most people don't realize that the one abrasion found on Trayvon's hands was on his off-hand, his left. Who randomly and without motive attacks a man, tries to inexplicably kill him... but punching him with his off-hand?

And as the medical examiner just testified, there was evidence only consistent with one strike and one impact (back of the head meeting concrete or other hard surface). There was no evidence that Zim was 'MMA grounded and pounded' with 25-30 strikes or had his head banged on the sidewalk a dozen times as he claimed. Anyone with basic sense knows that would result in far worse injuries for both Zimmy and Trayvon.

What it looks like happened now, as I've posited since the damn beginning, is that Zimmerman tried to physically detain Trayvon somewhere in the 'T' intersection area after a short verbal exchange. Trayvon tried to run towards Brandy Green's townhouse (trail of evidence leading from the intersection towards that direction and where the body was found backs this up). He hit Zim once in the face in self defense, trying to get him off, Zim (still holding onto Trayvon's clothing) fell on his back and hit the back of his head once on the sidewalk.

Both were on the ground and this point and Zim being dazed momentarily gave Trayvon the opportunity to initially get on top in an attempt to hold him down while he called out for someone to help him. Wrestling match ensued until Zim, with his extensive MMA training and experience, was able to get 'wrist control' and reverse positions- him on top, Trayvon on the bottom, and was able to unholster, aim, and fire one shot into Trayvon's heart.

He then patted him down, flipping him over to check his back pockets before someone came out with a flashlight and the cops arrived.

Yes, I recall your summary of events - like a year ago. This evidence of neither having significant bruises or evidence of that, also supports my early stand that Zimmerman had command of the fight for whole 40 second scream segment. And that the desperate screams were one for life and not a simple "help me" scream. That the gun is acknowledged by Trayvon early on. And that Zim did this cold blooded and out of no urgency or fear. Once again I based everything on the screams at first in the very early pages here. This still has to be proved but we'll see.
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