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Old 07-03-2013, 03:41 AM   #4441
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However the way the law is set up, and especially in this particular case, the verdict will either be guilty or not guilty.

Wow didn't know that captain obvious.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:24 AM   #4442
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The judge already threw the case by not allowing voice experts to testify it was Trayvon's screams heard in the audio.



How do you figure when you had just as many experts opposing it as supporting it. The FBI specialist that testified the other day said it is impossible for a stranger or a machine to analyze someone's screams to any degree of accuracy. It got tossed because its not reliable, simple as that, for every expert you found that said he knew definitively who it was 100%, you had another one who said they couldn't tell.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:31 AM   #4443
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How do you figure when you had just as many experts opposing it as supporting it. The FBI specialist that testified the other day said it is impossible for a stranger or a machine to analyze someone's screams to any degree of accuracy. It got tossed because its not reliable, simple as that, for every expert you found that said he knew definitively who it was 100%, you had another one who said they couldn't tell.

So what?

It should be up to the jury to decide, not the judge. If we have one expert that says it's Zimmerman, and another says it is not, the experts should still be allowed since it is integral to proving malice at the very last moment. In the end it is all an intepretation of evidences and no evidence is ever definitive.

And yes, there are special guidelines and analysis that can be taken to identify the voices. Merely throwing it out (when it is critical to prove a 2nd degree) is throwing the case away.

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Old 07-03-2013, 09:58 AM   #4444
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So what?

It should be up to the jury to decide, not the judge. If we have one expert that says it's Zimmerman, and another says it is not, the experts should still be allowed since it is integral to proving malice at the very last moment. In the end it is all an intepretation of evidences and no evidence is ever definitive.

And yes, there are special guidelines and analysis that can be taken to identify the voices. Merely throwing it out (when it is critical to prove a 2nd degree) is throwing the case away.

The jury has heard the audio. And will get to decide based on what they hear. They will not get to hear manipulated audio which is what the audio experts would have had to do to isolate the voices. The judge accepted the FBI audio expert's argument that there was not enough clear, high quality sound to be able to compare the voices. That audio sample was compromised at the source (phones not being high quality recorders and in this case being too far away from the screams) and further manipulation would be unreliable.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:13 AM   #4445
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The judge already threw the case by not allowing voice experts to testify it was Trayvon's screams heard in the audio.

That was the single most important piece of evidence for 2nd degree murder for the prosecution.

Nothing else holds any weight.

Not guilty verdict. You can bet on it.

Because it wasn't real evidence.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:15 AM   #4446
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The jury has heard the audio. And will get to decide based on what they hear. They will not get to hear manipulated audio which is what the audio experts would have had to do to isolate the voices. The judge accepted the FBI audio expert's argument that there was not enough clear, high quality sound to be able to compare the voices. That audio sample was compromised at the source (phones not being high quality recorders and in this case being too far away from the screams) and further manipulation would be unreliable.

Ya based on filmsy testimonial. The guy is saying it is difficult to determine the voices based on his own hearing, but there are techniques that can determine pitch and other sound stimuli that can match voices pretty accurately.

The only person manipulating the outcome is the judge.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:24 AM   #4447
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Because it wasn't real evidence.

Proving the screams belong to Trayvon is proving 70% of the case. That is proof of an act of malice. A boy is pleading for his life and he is shot in cold blood. Manslaughter is thrown out; it is no act of defense; who cares about the racial foreplay, the inconsistent witness testimonials, all the prosecution needs is that argument that proves beyond a reasonable doubt he acted out of malice.

The judge knows this; she was put in place because she was more likely to be favorable towards Zimmerman.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:30 AM   #4448
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Proving the screams belong to Trayvon is proving 70% of the case. That is proof of an act of malice. A boy is pleading for his life and he is shot in cold blood. Manslaughter is thrown out; it is no act of defense; who cares about the racial foreplay, the inconsistent witness testimonials, all the prosecution needs is that argument that proves beyond a reasonable doubt he acted out of malice.

The judge knows this; she was put in place because she was more likely to be favorable towards Zimmerman.



Of course you think it's a conspiracy.

There was never proof it was Trayvon screaming. It's your fault for believing bullshit "experts" in the first place after the FBI already came out and said it was impossible to tell who was screaming.

You really think they have some magic technology that can match a voice heard from outside, through several walls, then recorded over the phone?
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:41 AM   #4449
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Of course you think it's a conspiracy.

There was never proof it was Trayvon screaming. It's your fault for believing bullshit "experts" in the first place after the FBI already came out and said it was impossible to tell who was screaming.

You really think they have some magic technology that can match a voice heard from outside, through several walls, then recorded over the phone?

Ya the conspiracy card. Let's stick with logic and reason. Did you know who testified; did you know what he said? Did you know he failed to use scientific standards to identify sound stimuli? Making him an FBI does not automatically make him an "expert." An expert is someone who carries out such standards to formulate his evidence, and not merely going by his hearing.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:42 AM   #4450
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Of course you think it's a conspiracy.

There was never proof it was Trayvon screaming. It's your fault for believing bullshit "experts" in the first place after the FBI already came out and said it was impossible to tell who was screaming.

You really think they have some magic technology that can match a voice heard from outside, through several walls, then recorded over the phone?

There was never any proof because the proof was not allowed in the first place loser.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:46 AM   #4451
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You are literally the only person who is complaining about this. You wanted Zimmerman to be guilty and you latched on to this supposed "evidence". Now it's been thrown out of court because it's bullshit and you cry conspiracy. You're a joke.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:48 AM   #4452
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Ya based on filmsy testimonial. The guy is saying it is difficult to determine the voices based on his own hearing, but there are techniques that can determine pitch and other sound stimuli that can match voices pretty accurately.


The only person manipulating the outcome is the judge.
His "testimonal" was those techniques were unreliable with a brief audio source of this quality.

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Old 07-03-2013, 10:48 AM   #4453
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What the hell was West thinking with that cross examination?

Guy just made the prosecution's case better than the prosecution has with that imperfect self defense and disproportionate force stuff. He even laid out a scenario where Zim started the conflict. The witness basically agreed that shooting someone in the heart was unreasonable and the ultimate disproportionate response.

Well done, Walter White
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:50 AM   #4454
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Zimmerman is ****ed.

From what i understand, even if he's found not guilty of 2nd degree murder, he could still be found guilty of mansluaghter against a minor, which in Florida carries almost the same sentance.

Heard it on CNN last night while Piers Morgan was interviewing Casey Anthony's old lawyer.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:52 AM   #4455
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You are literally the only person who is complaining about this. You wanted Zimmerman to be guilty and you latched on to this supposed "evidence". Now it's been thrown out of court because it's bullshit and you cry conspiracy. You're a joke.

Give it up, you're an idiot and can only resort to name calling because you can't refute my initial premise. Stick to the argument. Insults are nothing more than a cop out.
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