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Old 07-03-2013, 10:15 AM   #4456
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The jury has heard the audio. And will get to decide based on what they hear. They will not get to hear manipulated audio which is what the audio experts would have had to do to isolate the voices. The judge accepted the FBI audio expert's argument that there was not enough clear, high quality sound to be able to compare the voices. That audio sample was compromised at the source (phones not being high quality recorders and in this case being too far away from the screams) and further manipulation would be unreliable.

Ya based on filmsy testimonial. The guy is saying it is difficult to determine the voices based on his own hearing, but there are techniques that can determine pitch and other sound stimuli that can match voices pretty accurately.

The only person manipulating the outcome is the judge.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:24 AM   #4457
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Because it wasn't real evidence.

Proving the screams belong to Trayvon is proving 70% of the case. That is proof of an act of malice. A boy is pleading for his life and he is shot in cold blood. Manslaughter is thrown out; it is no act of defense; who cares about the racial foreplay, the inconsistent witness testimonials, all the prosecution needs is that argument that proves beyond a reasonable doubt he acted out of malice.

The judge knows this; she was put in place because she was more likely to be favorable towards Zimmerman.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:30 AM   #4458
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Proving the screams belong to Trayvon is proving 70% of the case. That is proof of an act of malice. A boy is pleading for his life and he is shot in cold blood. Manslaughter is thrown out; it is no act of defense; who cares about the racial foreplay, the inconsistent witness testimonials, all the prosecution needs is that argument that proves beyond a reasonable doubt he acted out of malice.

The judge knows this; she was put in place because she was more likely to be favorable towards Zimmerman.



Of course you think it's a conspiracy.

There was never proof it was Trayvon screaming. It's your fault for believing bullshit "experts" in the first place after the FBI already came out and said it was impossible to tell who was screaming.

You really think they have some magic technology that can match a voice heard from outside, through several walls, then recorded over the phone?
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:41 AM   #4459
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Of course you think it's a conspiracy.

There was never proof it was Trayvon screaming. It's your fault for believing bullshit "experts" in the first place after the FBI already came out and said it was impossible to tell who was screaming.

You really think they have some magic technology that can match a voice heard from outside, through several walls, then recorded over the phone?

Ya the conspiracy card. Let's stick with logic and reason. Did you know who testified; did you know what he said? Did you know he failed to use scientific standards to identify sound stimuli? Making him an FBI does not automatically make him an "expert." An expert is someone who carries out such standards to formulate his evidence, and not merely going by his hearing.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:42 AM   #4460
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Of course you think it's a conspiracy.

There was never proof it was Trayvon screaming. It's your fault for believing bullshit "experts" in the first place after the FBI already came out and said it was impossible to tell who was screaming.

You really think they have some magic technology that can match a voice heard from outside, through several walls, then recorded over the phone?

There was never any proof because the proof was not allowed in the first place loser.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:46 AM   #4461
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You are literally the only person who is complaining about this. You wanted Zimmerman to be guilty and you latched on to this supposed "evidence". Now it's been thrown out of court because it's bullshit and you cry conspiracy. You're a joke.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:48 AM   #4462
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Ya based on filmsy testimonial. The guy is saying it is difficult to determine the voices based on his own hearing, but there are techniques that can determine pitch and other sound stimuli that can match voices pretty accurately.


The only person manipulating the outcome is the judge.
His "testimonal" was those techniques were unreliable with a brief audio source of this quality.

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Old 07-03-2013, 10:48 AM   #4463
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What the hell was West thinking with that cross examination?

Guy just made the prosecution's case better than the prosecution has with that imperfect self defense and disproportionate force stuff. He even laid out a scenario where Zim started the conflict. The witness basically agreed that shooting someone in the heart was unreasonable and the ultimate disproportionate response.

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Old 07-03-2013, 10:50 AM   #4464
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Zimmerman is ****ed.

From what i understand, even if he's found not guilty of 2nd degree murder, he could still be found guilty of mansluaghter against a minor, which in Florida carries almost the same sentance.

Heard it on CNN last night while Piers Morgan was interviewing Casey Anthony's old lawyer.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:52 AM   #4465
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You are literally the only person who is complaining about this. You wanted Zimmerman to be guilty and you latched on to this supposed "evidence". Now it's been thrown out of court because it's bullshit and you cry conspiracy. You're a joke.

Give it up, you're an idiot and can only resort to name calling because you can't refute my initial premise. Stick to the argument. Insults are nothing more than a cop out.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:59 AM   #4466
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Give it up, you're an idiot and can only resort to name calling because you can't refute my initial premise. Stick to the argument. Insults are nothing more than a cop out.

Give it up?



I've been right since day fcking 1 you moron. Go back and look at the first 50 pages of this thread. It's me ALONE defending Zimmerman against every idiot ISH has to offer.

Now that it's obvious he's not guilty of murder half of the lynch mob has disappeared entirely, the rest are blaming the prosecution and you are saying it's a conspiracy.

Suck my dick LOL
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:00 AM   #4467
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His "testimonal" was those techniques were unreliable with a brief audio source of this quality.

He also said guessing a person's age based on what he heard is hard to do. I would hardly call that "expert" opinion. An expert opinion would be to use scientific methodologies to identify specific sound recognition by tonality, frequency, and other stimuli.

He basically said, "Based on my sh*tty hearing, I don't think that could be so and so." Yea that is the expert opinion idiots like bmulls is falling hardline for.

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Old 07-03-2013, 11:04 AM   #4468
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Zimmerman is ****ed.

From what i understand, even if he's found not guilty of 2nd degree murder, he could still be found guilty of mansluaghter against a minor, which in Florida carries almost the same sentance.

Heard it on CNN last night while Piers Morgan was interviewing Casey Anthony's old lawyer.

And then it will go to mistrial. But you're implying they don't move to dismiss the case because the state did not prove anything.
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at Zimmerman's ex-professor's skype going crazy.
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Lawyers getting trolled
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